You Americans are lucky

[Wyllliam]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Always fun to see Europeans complaining about how expensive it is over there. Maybe try putting your foot down collectively and try to roll back your socialist governments' power a bit?

I don't mind my socialist governement so much (in Belgium we actually have 3 governements).
Because they forsee a social safety net for everybody who has some bad luck.
When i get sick i barely have to pay anything.
if i get fired next week i know i have more then enough time to find a new job without having to worry about money

Ok the taxes we have to pay on our salary are ridiculous (45%),
but hey , you got to pay to play he.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by 504

I think Australia is easily the luckiest country on 86 pricing:
Nissan GT-R $180 000
Honda s2000 $70 000
Nissan 370Z $75 000
Evo 10 $74 890
Mazda MX5 $45 000
Toyota 86 GT $29 990

Everything costs double here yet we pay nearly the same for the 86. We also get it as the toyota and get all options if needed for an extra 4k which is nothing comparing with the price relative to other sports cars. What an absolute bargain. Mind = blown

Wow the GT86 is a steal at those prices compared to the other cars.

[Xanzent]

The price difference it largely due to two factors:

1) The GT86 you get, as others have mentioned, is like a BRZ limited, and has a lot of features the FR-S does not.

2) VAT. This adds 20% to the price, and unlike US state sales taxes, for those who have them, is usually baked into the advertised price.

When you take these factors into account the price disparity isn't as big as you think. That said, I'd still be jealous too.

Looking at the price sheet here, a base GT86 starts at just under 20k GBP before VAT and any other taxes or fees.

This equates to ~31k USD. Given it comes with most of the features of the limited, which starts at 27.5k USD, suddenly the price difference isn't so severe. It's taxes that make up the majority of the difference.

[hanabie]

Originally Posted by Wyllliam

I was looking around on the forum i stumbled on to gouys of 16 years old who could afford an FR-S, i couldn't believe this until I checked the Scion website.
I found that the base version is costing 25000$ (this is about 19000€)
Here in Europe the toyota GT86 is costing 30000€ or more.
With current conversion rates tis would be about 39,523$.

SO you lucky Americans!

still much better than living in Asia especially Singapore. Ask them how much it costs.

[Efferalgan]

Originally Posted by Wyllliam

Yep, the Gt 86 in Belgium comes with automatic wipers and lights

100% sure? Just checked the Toyota Belgium website - it's not mentioned in the interior features. Is that dealer installed equipment? Where is the sensor located? Can you post pictures pls?! Sorry for the offtopic but I want the auto-whipers badly!!

[Kostamojen]

Yup its certainly affordable here in the states. Average new car sold in the US is over $30,000 so the twins are less than the average.

Plus I'm only paying $190 per month for mine so yes its certainly affordable for someone with a low wage :P

[TylerLieberman]

I don't think we're very lucky.. Sure this car isn't expensive but how many badass cars NEVER came to the US?

To name a few: Skyline, S15 silvia, JZX Chasers, Focus ST(Which is a Ford.....wtf?) and list goes on and one.

Don't even get me started on our government...

Edit: Focus RS. My wife has an ST

[Wyllliam]

% shureEfferalgan;1186140]100% sure? Just checked the Toyota Belgium website - it's not mentioned in the interior features. Is that dealer installed equipment? Where is the sensor located? Can you post pictures pls?! Sorry for the offtopic but I want the auto-whipers badly!![/QUOTE]

I'm 90 % shure that the car i drove had automatic wipers (currently i'm still waiting for mine to arrive),
But I also can't find it on the Toyota website, strange
The sensor was installed next to the sensor for the automatic lights ( on the windshield behind the rearview mirror)
I'll check this tomorrow at my work there are a few guys who are Lucky enough to have there car already.

[FRiSson]

Originally Posted by utekineir

Please sir, refer to it as the american dream.




And please don't tell me you support the fast food workers striking for $15/hr. I agree minimum wage is not a living wage. When you figure minimum wage 40 hours a week after taxes and expenses related to working (transportation etc) a person basically does better collecting disability. Regardless only one thing will happen if they have their way and hit "15".

The hordes of liberal arts degree holders pouring coffee will now be flipping burgers.

Which means, maybe they can get my fucking snack wrap at mcdonalds right more than half the time. I mean shit, the only variation is which bottle of sauce to grab and they cant even do that right on a regular basis.

That term "American Dream" has really been abused, particularly by non-Americans. The dream refers to a dream of upward mobility. That was critically important when we were a nation of 70% renters and our parents and grandparents were immigrants. The idea was that children would live substantially better than their parents, own their own home, become educated have professional work or a trade and plan for even better lives than their children. However as indoor plumbing became the norm, home ownership became a majority position the powerful meaning of the dream became less important. The leap from rental to ownership, and from walking to a car is, after all, far greater than the leap to bigger home and two cars. As for the poor, they suffered from being left behind. Instead of being "us" as in the majority, or a condition one suffered in youth, or at least your parents or grandparents experienced, it became a condition of "them." Social science research has shown that vaunted American "mobility" of jumping social and income classes now lags far behind many advanced countries. The US has instead become a country of 1) a large cohort of people who remain steadily in the middle class (contracting), 2) a growing population of people who are slipping out of the middle class, 3) a large population of very poor who have limited access to health car, quality education and potential to advance, 4) a cadre of highly privileged (intergenerational wealth) people, and 5) a tiny population of super rich who own an unprecedentedly large chunk of of national wealth.

The mistake most journalists and writers make is to talk about the "American Dream" as a specific thing. For example a desire to own a classic car, or a small ranch or retire to Phoenix. That is not the American Dream.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I don't think we're very lucky.. Sure this car isn't expensive but how many badass cars NEVER came to the US?

To name a few: Skyline, S15 silvia, JZX Chasers, Focus ST(Which is a Ford.....wtf?) and list goes on and one.

Don't even get me started on our government...

There was Skylines, but you guys fucked up your chance. Look up Motorex.

Focus ST? Erm....what?

[Wyllliam]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I don't think we're very lucky.. Sure this car isn't expensive but how many badass cars NEVER came to the US?

To name a few: Skyline, S15 silvia, JZX Chasers, Focus ST(Which is a Ford.....wtf?) and list goes on and one.

Don't even get me started on our government...

That'sthe same in Belgium.
We never had any skyline or any other Japanese sportscar.
Even the American muscle car are not available here.
We get the mustang now but only with a 4 cylinder engine (WTF!)
We have to be happy with the European sportscars only

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by dem00n

There was Skylines, but you guys fucked up your chance. Look up Motorex.

Focus ST? Erm....what?

I meant Focus RS. I have a Focus ST.. BRAIN FART


Motorex is a whole different thing entirely. It wasn't actually offered by Nissan here. My dad owned one of the few R34's that were 100% legal that was brought stateside by Motorex. If anything, Motorex fucked up our chance.

The car is still here in the states from what I understand. East coast somewhere.

This one:


Until they become 25 years old, they will never be 100% legal again. Nobody wants to dish out the money to make it happen.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I meant Focus RS. I have a Focus ST.. BRAIN FART


Motorex is a whole different thing entirely. It wasn't actually offered by Nissan here. My dad owned one of the few R34's that were 100% legal that was brought stateside by Motorex. If anything, Motorex fucked up our chance.

The car is still here in the states from what I understand. East coast somewhere.

This one:


Until they become 25 years old, they will never be 100% legal again. Nobody wants to dish out the money to make it happen.

Focus RS, that be nice to have.

Motorex was the chance though! All we had to do we had to do was add a few safety features, 5 catalytic converters and we were good to go.

But no one gave a fuck and we lost our chance.

Sigh.

Though ironically at the same time vintage American Muscle cars are constaly shipped to Japan and Europe. They love our Hemis.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Focus RS, that be nice to have.

Motorex was the chance though! All we had to do we had to do was add a few safety features, 5 catalytic converters and we were good to go.

But no one gave a fuck and we lost our chance.

Sigh.

Though ironically at the same time vintage American Muscle cars are constaly shipped to Japan and Europe. They love our Hemis.

If the Focus RS was sold here... I'd own one. If the JZX100 was sold here... I would own it probably forever....or until I stuffed it into a wall.

Part of the process for getting these cars legalized is crashing a bunch of them. I believe Motorex crashed 6 for safety testing. WHOLE CARS. Not just shells. So, in order for it to happen again, somebody needs to buy 4 fully operation, complete R34s just so they can be smashed.

Never gonna happen Just gotta wait it out now. By the time they're available to pick up, I probably won't care enough to get one anyways.