Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[Frs300]

Originally Posted by jamesm

You're crazy if you run water/meth without an ecu that can hook up to a failsafe. Bottle run out, motor go boom. Not cool.

you can wire the aem meth kit into the ecu and have ecutek controll it failsafe cw. you can also have it switch to a non meth map on the fly when bottle runs low or the system just flat out fails

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by jamesm

i would argue that it's a much better idea to just run the system within it's limits on the fuel you have available and not worry about it. if you want more power, use something with higher limits that meets your needs.

water/meth is an accident waiting to happen. what are you going to do when you go on a road trip? carry a bottle in the trunk?

it's like nitrous in that the power is only there the the bottle is full, only difference is when it runs out your engine blows up. not a great solution to the problem of not making enough power.

You do realize that most W/M kits use blue washer fluid, right? It's hard NOT to find that stuff. And if you're worried that a bottle at a roadside gas station might not have a standard 30% meth solution, you can just pour in a bottle or two of yellow HEET per gallon, for a 7% boost.

And as above, if you have a W/M map, you have a straight fuel map too. So plug in, flash, and go.

W/M, with a good failsafe, is surprisingly easy to live with.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by jamesm

I don't know about you, but I forget shit some times. If I were running meth, I'd have a failsafe hooked up and working.

I run AEM meth failsafe. No way I would run without it. Has already kicked in many times (clogged nozzle and leaky tubing connection).

At this point the tune isn't that crazy like ragged edge status. We did a run on the dyno with the meth off but running the meth tune. Only a tiny bit of timing correction happened. Turning up the heat soon as I am getting more confident the system is working predictably/reliably.

[Frs300]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

I run AEM meth failsafe. No way I would run without it. Has already kicked in many times (clogged nozzle and leaky tubing connection).

At this point the tune isn't that crazy like ragged edge status. We did a run on the dyno with the meth off but running the meth tune. Only a tiny bit of timing correction happened. Turning up the heat soon as I am getting more confident the system is working predictably/reliably.

is the aem kit controlled by ecutek?

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by MattF

Running 8-8.9 at WOT. Then 9-10 part throttle under load. I have an aftermarket wideband.

That's super rich alright. My AEM UEGO didn't even read richer than 10:1. I'd stay out of open loop until you get a revised tune. Thanks for the info. I am very interested in just how good or bad the base tunes are.

[MattF]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

That's super rich alright. My AEM UEGO didn't even read richer than 10:1. I'd stay out of open loop until you get a revised tune. Thanks for the info. I am very interested in just how good or bad the base tunes are.

Got revision one, I am about to flash it. @FA20Club.com are ecutek master certified, I am sure they will deliver a good tune they just happen to be super busy as well.

[xxscaxx]

I didn't look at my first revision log but I never recall seeing richness of that magnitude. I will have to check it out.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Frs300

is the aem kit controlled by ecutek?

No it is its own ecu that analyzes flow and sends out failsafe signals to whatever you want (12V or ground).

[swift996]

E50 Pull (102 degree weather)

[Opposed]

^^ Looking good man! Those are respectible numbers

[xxscaxx]

Once I get my tune finalized I will put it into virtual dyno to see what comes up. I know it doesn't mean much since its not 100% accurate but I do have data logs from being NA and the only difference is I added the supercharger, so I can do a fair comparison from being NA to the SC.

[Xero-Limit]

Not bad at all considering how varied that one is setup for and the temp! If you ran E85 probably another 20 hp, but that curve looks super smooth telling me the injectors are doing their thing. Our pulls on the stock fueling were nearly as choppy as the innovate graphs due to stock fueling. Those DW700's are perfect for this kit.

As for the fuel pump, we are going to test further to see what's going on there. Looks like Jon's datalogs show it may not be needed with the 700's and E85 but we have to look at it further. Hopefully will have time tomorrow to go hunting in the fuel tank again and double check the hardware. Folks over at Deatschwerks had some great info so we'll pull the canister and double check some things.

Originally Posted by swift996

E50 Pull (102 degree weather)

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

As for the fuel pump, we are going to test further to see what's going on there. Looks like Jon's datalogs show it may not be needed with the 700's and E85 but we have to look at it further. Hopefully will have time tomorrow to go hunting in the fuel tank again and double check the hardware. Folks over at Deatschwerks had some great info so we'll pull the canister and double check some things.

that's what i'm looking to hear. if we can do e85 with larger injectors while keeping the stock fuel pump for moderate output (250ish whp) applications i'd be happy.

[MattF]

Anyone hook up a boost guage yet? I am trying to figure out the best way to hook it up. Any help would be great thanks.