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Old 07-19-2013, 09:08 AM   #337
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@Benn0r's intercooled Bullet car, tuned today by sjautomotive.com.au on 98 ron.

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Old 07-19-2013, 09:16 AM   #338
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I'm excited to share my dyno

Saturday @4:15, top dyno pull is free at the Pure meet and I'm confident my numbers will beat these vortech guys
I thought I read somewhere that you put on new headers and a couple of other goodies. Fingers crossed you get to 300..

P.S. - I love your car. It makes me want to pick up some mesh wheels.
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:27 AM   #339
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Now were talking. That's about 200 lb ft of torque and 246 whp on an otherwise stock car. Pretty sweet!

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Yea you can't say the Innovate doesn't have higher potential any more! That is as much power as this chassis will ever need on the street.

I was reading "Supercharging" by Perkin's-Davis yesterday. Its interesting how when it was written Vortech used engine oiling/cooling just like a turbo. I don't know what the claims are from Vortech with the switch to sealed bearings on their centrifugal blower but it has to have a lower lifespan than the a good twinscrew? I got 115k miles out of an the factory Eaton SC on my thunderbird supercoupe, that was a nice car for its time RWD+ IRS, a bit like the Twins only too heavy. It had the same wind-up sound as the videos posted on the innovate, so a bit of nostalgia for me.

The book is very complimentary about Eaton, Begi, and Opcon positive displacement blowers which supplied OEM superchargers back then. All the TRD kits they show in the book are positive displacement and no not all of them are intercooled. Don't think there has ever been a centr. supercharger offered by an OEM or as an OEM upgrade. It looks like Spintex supplied OEM chargers to MG Rover Australia and Ford Motor Company in the past which says a lot.

I think people will be all over this thing if someone sells it with a basemap for BRz-Edit or the new Flash Tablet.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:08 AM   #340
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Those intercooled dynos are juicy! 225-245whp sounds very nice.
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Old 07-19-2013, 05:36 PM   #341
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Add me to the list. Kit arrived a few days ago. Install will be next saturday
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Old 07-19-2013, 06:06 PM   #342
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Finally got mine installed and running it is super rich though. Sent my first set of log files to @FA20Club.com hoepfully it wont take to long to get a revised tune.
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How rich is it? Do you have an AFR gauge or are you using the oem sensor?
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:48 AM   #344
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Those intercooled dynos are juicy! 225-245whp sounds very nice.
water/meth inj can get you there today! just plug and chug! :happy0180:
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You're crazy if you run water/meth without an ecu that can hook up to a failsafe. Bottle run out, motor go boom. Not cool.
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Old 07-20-2013, 10:18 AM   #346
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You're crazy if you run water/meth without an ecu that can hook up to a failsafe. Bottle run out, motor go boom. Not cool.
The other solutions to this are to:
A) only use the water/meth for short bursts of power, then switch it off and back to a normal map.
B) keep an eye on your bottle level and don't let it get below a certain point (low fill level line drawn with a sharpie works).
C) install a float gauge with a low fluid light somewhere inside.


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i would argue that it's a much better idea to just run the system within it's limits on the fuel you have available and not worry about it. if you want more power, use something with higher limits that meets your needs.

water/meth is an accident waiting to happen. what are you going to do when you go on a road trip? carry a bottle in the trunk?

it's like nitrous in that the power is only there the the bottle is full, only difference is when it runs out your engine blows up. not a great solution to the problem of not making enough power.
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How rich is it? Do you have an AFR gauge or are you using the oem sensor?
Running 8-8.9 at WOT. Then 9-10 part throttle under load. I have an aftermarket wideband.
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i would argue that it's a much better idea to just run the system within it's limits on the fuel you have available and not worry about it. if you want more power, use something with higher limits that meets your needs.

water/meth is an accident waiting to happen. what are you going to do when you go on a road trip? carry a bottle in the trunk?

it's like nitrous in that the power is only there the the bottle is full, only difference is when it runs out your engine blows up. not a great solution to the problem of not making enough power.
It takes only seconds to switch from a w/m map to a normal fuel map. On a road trip you'd just turn the system off and switch to a map not requiring the meth. It's not a ticking time bomb of failure as much as you portray it. Of course there are risks as there always are with power modifications.


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It takes only seconds to switch from a w/m map to a normal fuel map. On a road trip you'd just turn the system off and switch to a map not requiring the meth. It's not a ticking time bomb of failure as much as you portray it. Of course there are risks as there always are with power modifications.


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I don't know about you, but I forget shit some times. If I were running meth, I'd have a failsafe hooked up and working.
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