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tzbang · 11-11-2015, 05:30 PM

Hey guys,

So I've got some UEL Gruppe-S headers that I plan on installing this weekend. Which will no doubt throw a CEL.

I'm based in New Zealand and run 98Ron fuel (93octane I think).

I'm trying to work out my options for tuning. I could get a OFT and hopefully there is a stage2 tune for 98Ron available.

But I plan on supercharging eventually - and want to use my local dyno tuner. But they aren't interested in OFT and want me to use Ecutek which comes with a license cost of NZ$1092.50 (US$716.29) which seems expensive. And that is just for the license..

So I'm not sure what to do. Do you have to purchase EcuTek licenses from tuners? So they can charge what they want?

Kodename47 · 11-11-2015, 06:14 PM

That is expensive. I think ECUtek licenses are around £150-£180. Most tuners include the license cost in the first tune. Are you sure it doesn't include the programming kit?

tzbang · 11-11-2015, 06:46 PM

No they are is a one-off license cost apparently. He says it's to cover them having to buy the tuning module and cable.. but they only have to buy those things once.. looks like they're making a good premium on the EcuTek licenses..

Wayno · 11-11-2015, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tzbang

No they are is a one-off license cost apparently. He says it's to cover them having to buy the tuning module and cable.. but they only have to buy those things once.. looks like they're making a good premium on the EcuTek licenses..

If they're dodgy like that, don't even consider them. Plenty of tuners around.
OFT has good resale value, so when you sell it you'll be hardly out of pocket.
I can send you a tune for OFT on 98 for those exact headers.

tzbang · 11-15-2015, 11:19 PM

Would it be ok to assume that a tune for Aussie 98Ron would be just as good for NZ?

The only problem is sometimes I can't even get 98.. only BP sells 98 at 'select' outlets so if you're going for a trip it's highly likely you'll wind up somewhere which doesn't have it.

I put my Gruppe-S headers on in the weekend. No CEL yet

Wayno · 11-16-2015, 12:36 AM

The ECU will manage how much timing it has to pull just fine.

jawn · 11-16-2015, 12:53 AM

OP, for what it's worth I have the Gruppe-S headers and an OFT. When I go forced induction, I'll either sell the OFT or perhaps keep it just for data-logging purposes.

I'm running the OFT Stage 2 UEL 93 Octane map currently with some of the tune tweaks as suggested by @Wayno and @steve99. No complaints. Logs look good and it certainly feels peppier.

11-11-2015, 05:30 PM	#1
tzbang Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Drives: 2013 GT86 Location: New Zealand Posts: 109 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Tuning option questions Hey guys, So I've got some UEL Gruppe-S headers that I plan on installing this weekend. Which will no doubt throw a CEL. I'm based in New Zealand and run 98Ron fuel (93octane I think). I'm trying to work out my options for tuning. I could get a OFT and hopefully there is a stage2 tune for 98Ron available. But I plan on supercharging eventually - and want to use my local dyno tuner. But they aren't interested in OFT and want me to use Ecutek which comes with a license cost of NZ$1092.50 (US$716.29) which seems expensive. And that is just for the license.. So I'm not sure what to do. Do you have to purchase EcuTek licenses from tuners? So they can charge what they want?

11-11-2015, 06:14 PM	#2
Kodename47 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: UK GT86 Location: UK Posts: 3,040 Thanks: 185 Thanked 1,632 Times in 1,113 Posts Mentioned: 156 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	That is expensive. I think ECUtek licenses are around £150-£180. Most tuners include the license cost in the first tune. Are you sure it doesn't include the programming kit? __________________ .: Stealth 86 :. Abbey Motorsport/K47 Tuned Sprintex 210 Supercharger Kodename 47 DJ: Soundcloud / Instagram / Facebook

11-16-2015, 12:36 AM	#6
Wayno Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: Toyota 86 GTS Location: Australia Posts: 1,129 Thanks: 453 Thanked 896 Times in 424 Posts Mentioned: 211 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The ECU will manage how much timing it has to pull just fine. __________________ rom downloads, information and examples Toyota 86 GTS OFT - Guide To Dialling In OTS Base Tune OFT - Example Alternate Maps for AT, 98RON, E85, MAF Scales

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11-11-2015, 06:46 PM	#3
tzbang Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Drives: 2013 GT86 Location: New Zealand Posts: 109 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No they are is a one-off license cost apparently. He says it's to cover them having to buy the tuning module and cable.. but they only have to buy those things once.. looks like they're making a good premium on the EcuTek licenses..

11-15-2015, 11:19 PM	#5
tzbang Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Drives: 2013 GT86 Location: New Zealand Posts: 109 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Would it be ok to assume that a tune for Aussie 98Ron would be just as good for NZ? The only problem is sometimes I can't even get 98.. only BP sells 98 at 'select' outlets so if you're going for a trip it's highly likely you'll wind up somewhere which doesn't have it. I put my Gruppe-S headers on in the weekend. No CEL yet

11-16-2015, 12:53 AM	#7
jawn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Drives: 2015 CWP BRZ Limited Location: NOVA Posts: 2,800 Thanks: 1,801 Thanked 3,946 Times in 1,757 Posts Mentioned: 105 Post(s) Tagged: 7 Thread(s)	OP, for what it's worth I have the Gruppe-S headers and an OFT. When I go forced induction, I'll either sell the OFT or perhaps keep it just for data-logging purposes. I'm running the OFT Stage 2 UEL 93 Octane map currently with some of the tune tweaks as suggested by @Wayno and @steve99. No complaints. Logs look good and it certainly feels peppier.

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