Do I need hub centric ring

[07jazzrs5gt86]

Hi I just bought a set of used enkei rpf1 17x8
When i install them i notice its not completely snug. Theres some movement and i need to position it properly to get all lugs to fit nicely and center.
After all 4 corners done i took it for a spin and notice there is some metal cling sound on inner wheel during turn in. When i check if the lugs lose or tight its still tight. Doi need to get some hub centric rings? If so what size i might need to get?
Thanks in advance

[wparsons]

If you're hearing a clunk, that isn't related to the wheels unless they're not tight. Centering rings or not they should be silent with the lugs properly torqued.

Are you using the stock lugs (or other cone seat lugs)? If so, you should be totally fine without the rings. I've had my RPF1's for two years with no centering rings without issue (or noise).

[07jazzrs5gt86]

I just bought some tuner lugs at autozone but will upgrade in the near future just cant wait to get it on

[jflogerzi]

I think the stock ones work with RPF01's I would trust those over some junky auto zone "tuner lug nuts"

[chas3wba0]

I think the most noticeable symptom of needing hubcentric rings would be vibrations at higher speeds, since the wheel is not spinning around a perfectly centered axis. But, even if you don't notice a problem, I still think getting the rings would be a good measure, just from an engineering standpoint

[07jazzrs5gt86]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

I think the stock ones work with RPF01's I would trust those over some junky auto zone "tuner lug nuts"

Well i should state more clearly as the lugs i got from autozone is from muteki but just the cheaper heavier ones.
I tried the stock 1st but didn't seem to fit well so i just decided to use the muteki for now

[07jazzrs5gt86]

Originally Posted by chas3wba0

I think the most noticeable symptom of needing hubcentric rings would be vibrations at higher speeds, since the wheel is not spinning around a perfectly centered axis. But, even if you don't notice a problem, I still think getting the rings would be a good measure, just from an engineering standpoint

I'll go to a wheel tire shop to check it out tmr better play on the a safe side.
I drove for a few miles going 75 mph and still felt very stable but just when i do a slow turn like 15 -25mph turn then i hear that metal cling sound but it doesnt happen all the time

[Dezoris]

You can go to discount tire and get $12 plastic hubcentric rings for those wheels. That will help you rule out clunks. Just make sure the wheels are balanced obviously and lugs are tqd to 90lbs

[mav1178]

Metal noise or clunk is not from lack of hub center rings, I run at the track regularly without hub center rings.

Something else is loose.

-alex

[07jazzrs5gt86]

When I did the swap I didn't touch anything else
After install I did check if all bolts to make sure its tight
Everything seems fine though
When you put the wheel on without centric ring did you notice there's some play to it even though all 5 holes did line up right as compare to stock it'll line up perfect all tight and snug around the lug nuts without any play to it

[mfbmike]

Hubcentric rings are not necessary.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by 07jazzrs5gt86

When I did the swap I didn't touch anything else
After install I did check if all bolts to make sure its tight
Everything seems fine though
When you put the wheel on without centric ring did you notice there's some play to it even though all 5 holes did line up right as compare to stock it'll line up perfect all tight and snug around the lug nuts without any play to it

It's not the lack of centering rings, unless all 5 lugs are loose on one wheel.

With the correct seat lugs, they force the wheel to center properly on the studs. It's impossible to end up with the wheel not centered unless you aren't torquing them properly (star pattern), and even then it's hard to end up with them not centered.

With the stock wheels, they still have play on the studs. If you lock the brakes you can still rotate the wheel back and forth a little bit, but the wheels are still centered properly by the lugs.

Do you always hear the clink/clunk? Are you positive it wasn't there before? My bet is you're just listening more carefully after changing the wheels.

[07jazzrs5gt86]

Well i always listen for things thats there before or after but i do pay close attention to sound that i don't normally hear. Also i really don't listen to my radio too loud usually set between 3-12 volume most times set at 5 though.
That being said i know for certain this metal sound i was hearing wasn't there before the i swap the wheel setup.
During intial install of the new rims/tires on my 1st wheel i notice the lugnut hole is a bit wider by 2-5mm but i didn't measure but it's definitely slightly bigger as compared to stock wheels and all 4 is the same. But i still install it anyways.
I did do the star pattern when i put the lug nuts on and just use both of my feet to help align all nuts so its all center up. I slowly lower the car til it bearly touch the ground then tight it some more . Once on the ground i tighten it some .
Early this morning i went on a drive with norcal 86 drive club and surprisingly there's none of the metal sound i heard. So all of a sudden it gone. Really wonder what it was though.

[Ubersuber]

Originally Posted by wparsons

If you're hearing a clunk, that isn't related to the wheels unless they're not tight. Centering rings or not they should be silent with the lugs properly torqued.

Are you using the stock lugs (or other cone seat lugs)? If so, you should be totally fine without the rings. I've had my RPF1's for two years with no centering rings without issue (or noise).

This is very dangerous advice.

Modern cars absolutely require hubcentric rings and no competent wheel shop will fit such rims without them.

The shoulders on lug bolts or nuts are definitely insufficient to lock the wheel in the correct position on the hub.

In the 60's (and even the 70's and 80's on poorly engineered American iron) hubcentric wheels were not common or required.

Now they are. Unless the centerbore of your wheel is precisely stock you must fit proper quality hubcentric rings for safety and proper performance.