Improving Steering Feel - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

sittinSideways · 08-10-2014, 06:04 PM

Hi all,

I'm trying to improve the amount of feedback I get from the wheel, and the overall steering feel and responsiveness of the car. I want it to feel tight and responsive. Thus I've started to look into various aftermarket parts to accomplish this. So far I ordered Perrin's Steering Rack Lockdown kit:

http://perrinperformance.com/i-15768...-fr-s-brz.html

While this is a step forward in my goal of recieving more steering feedback, it does nothing towards my other goal of making my steering more responsive. Thus I've started to look into steering rack bushings:

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/inde...FehaMgodFG0AEA

But... Is this actually more solid than stock bushings, and will it make a difference in steering feel?

Any more suggestions on accomplishing my goals would greatly welcomed! Thanks

gramicci101 · 08-10-2014, 06:10 PM

Cusco is overpriced. Other brands are $20-$50. They do provide better steering feel, because polyurethane is stiffer than rubber.

If you want to go all in, look into Turn-in Concepts' solid aluminum steering rack bushings. Or if you need to stay STX-legal, their Delrin bushings.

zkv476 · 08-10-2014, 06:13 PM

Steering rack bushings are probably redundant with the steering rack lockdown in my opinion. Do either or. TiC makes an aluminum bushing replacement and also has virtually no movement. Perrin makes a replacement front control arm bushing that could probably help. http://perrinperformance.com/i-13324...-fr-s-brz.html

tony1019 · 08-10-2014, 06:13 PM

Not sure about steering but I know the car feels way more responsive with upgraded sway bars. Could tell a huge differenceright away that the overall handling felt better.

finch1750 · 08-10-2014, 06:37 PM

I have heard a solid strut tower bar (like Grimmspeed) has helped with initial turn in response.

And I don't believe TiC sells the aluminum bushings anymore since I could only find the derlin on their website recently. If you are interested I have a brand new set f aluminum I could part with since I really need derlin for autox. PM me if you are interested.

Captain Snooze · 08-10-2014, 06:50 PM

Same question has already been asked here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11810

Turdinator · 08-12-2014, 12:32 AM

For resposiveness I would look into your alignment, tyres with a stiffer sidewall, poly bushes in the LCAs or aftermarket LCAs with rose joints/rodends/ball joints/hiem joints/whatever you prefer to call them. Lightweight wheels and any weight reduction you can do around the front of the front of the car will also help. There is also a thread on the BRZ tS which mentions the different steering rack bolts Subaru/STI used to improve steering feel that may be worth investigating.

KoolBRZ · 08-18-2014, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sittinSideways

Hi all,

I'm trying to improve the amount of feedback I get from the wheel, and the overall steering feel and responsiveness of the car. I want it to feel tight and responsive. Thus I've started to look into various aftermarket parts to accomplish this. So far I ordered Perrin's Steering Rack Lockdown kit:

http://perrinperformance.com/i-15768...-fr-s-brz.html

While this is a step forward in my goal of recieving more steering feedback, it does nothing towards my other goal of making my steering more responsive. Thus I've started to look into steering rack bushings:

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/inde...FehaMgodFG0AEA

But... Is this actually more solid than stock bushings, and will it make a difference in steering feel?

Any more suggestions on accomplishing my goals would greatly welcomed! Thanks

I just installed the Delrin inserts from turn in concepts. They actually reduce vibration while turning in instantly. No over-corrections! There was always some hesitation cutting into a sharp corner, than backing off because the rubber decompresses and over-corrects. These are cheap and easy to install and make the biggest difference dollar for dollar, then anything else. You also need to re-align the car afterwards, since the rack might move some during the installation.

Captain Snooze · 08-18-2014, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

These are cheap and easy to install and make the biggest difference dollar for dollar, then anything else.

Maybe if you install them yourself but if you have paid someone to install them and do an alignment then the GrimmSpeed bar is cheaper and made a bigger difference for me. Nice double post btw.

Black Tire · 08-18-2014, 07:52 PM

My solution that works quite well, this, this, this, and this:

http://www.frsport.com/Carbing-Front...Z_p_52274.html

http://passwordjdm.com/PasswordJDM-U...8627C2619.aspx

http://perrinperformance.com/i-13324...-fr-s-brz.html

http://perrinperformance.com/i-13324...-fr-s-brz.html

The Carbing brace is probably the most noticeable single improvement.

08-10-2014, 06:04 PM	#1
sittinSideways Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: '13 Firestorm FRS Location: WA Posts: 202 Thanks: 123 Thanked 58 Times in 39 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Improving Steering Feel Hi all, I'm trying to improve the amount of feedback I get from the wheel, and the overall steering feel and responsiveness of the car. I want it to feel tight and responsive. Thus I've started to look into various aftermarket parts to accomplish this. So far I ordered Perrin's Steering Rack Lockdown kit: http://perrinperformance.com/i-15768...-fr-s-brz.html While this is a step forward in my goal of recieving more steering feedback, it does nothing towards my other goal of making my steering more responsive. Thus I've started to look into steering rack bushings: http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/inde...FehaMgodFG0AEA But... Is this actually more solid than stock bushings, and will it make a difference in steering feel? Any more suggestions on accomplishing my goals would greatly welcomed! Thanks Last edited by sittinSideways; 08-10-2014 at 06:33 PM. Reason: Clarify: improving response of entire car

08-10-2014, 06:37 PM	#5
finch1750 Undisputed El Presidente Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Zenki 37J ZN6 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 11,593 Thanks: 9,403 Thanked 9,411 Times in 5,270 Posts Mentioned: 374 Post(s) Tagged: 33 Thread(s)	I have heard a solid strut tower bar (like Grimmspeed) has helped with initial turn in response. And I don't believe TiC sells the aluminum bushings anymore since I could only find the derlin on their website recently. If you are interested I have a brand new set f aluminum I could part with since I really need derlin for autox. PM me if you are interested. __________________ "Just like how a strut bar somehow enables you to corner 20MPH faster around a cloverleaf on-ramp, when the reality is, you can do it already but you just don't have to balls to do it." - CSG David

08-10-2014, 06:50 PM	#6
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08-10-2014, 06:10 PM	#2
gramicci101 Off Topic Join Date: Feb 2014 Drives: 2014 Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Vegas, baby! Posts: 4,610 Thanks: 2,369 Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,170 Posts Mentioned: 43 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Cusco is overpriced. Other brands are $20-$50. They do provide better steering feel, because polyurethane is stiffer than rubber. If you want to go all in, look into Turn-in Concepts' solid aluminum steering rack bushings. Or if you need to stay STX-legal, their Delrin bushings.

08-10-2014, 06:13 PM	#3
zkv476 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 SWP BRZ, MT Location: New Jersey Posts: 240 Thanks: 11 Thanked 140 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Steering rack bushings are probably redundant with the steering rack lockdown in my opinion. Do either or. TiC makes an aluminum bushing replacement and also has virtually no movement. Perrin makes a replacement front control arm bushing that could probably help. http://perrinperformance.com/i-13324...-fr-s-brz.html

08-10-2014, 06:13 PM	#4
tony1019 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2013 AVO Boosted Scion Frs Location: Seattle Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Not sure about steering but I know the car feels way more responsive with upgraded sway bars. Could tell a huge differenceright away that the overall handling felt better.

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