Fbm or Avo - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

mrharry · 04-26-2014, 05:08 AM

Hey guys
At the moment I'm looking into getting turbo soon for my 86.
I'm thinking fbm base kit with gtx30 and 1000cc injectors but that will cost me a arm to bring into Australia.
Where as the avo would be the cheaper option but I'm not sure if it would give me the power I'm after which is about 300hp on 98ron(93oct).

Any suggestion?

midnight23 · 04-26-2014, 05:27 AM

with avo you'll make 300hp on 93 oct with the right tuning and exhaust if that is all you want. full blown will be able to scale much further though if you plan on going with more power later.

diss7 · 04-26-2014, 06:51 AM

The avo kit is working too hard at 300whp. If you only want to get a figure and hardly use it, then go avo. But pushing avo north of 250whp is not going to be a realiable track/often-raped setup.

Kodename47 · 04-26-2014, 07:09 AM

There is a new AVO billet turbo system coming soon which will give more power. It's being tested here in the UK.

steveoexige · 04-26-2014, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diss7

The avo kit is working too hard at 300whp. If you only want to get a figure and hardly use it, then go avo. But pushing avo north of 250whp is not going to be a realiable track/often-raped setup.

This ^^. The standard AVO turbo is going to be working overtime at these figures.

Also I dread to think how money AVO are charging for their billet turbo upgrade option when others (FBM) can provide a billet setup from the get go a third cheaper.

mrharry · 04-26-2014, 12:55 PM

my car is going to be semi daily and for the track

so the fbm would be better in the longer run then the avo?

Dipstik-sportech · 04-26-2014, 01:02 PM

I daily my fbm setup with no issues and the power is nice lol

The Frozen North

DesertFrs · 04-26-2014, 01:08 PM

I would have to disagree with you on making the AVO working Overtime past 250. On 8 psi of boost I made over 270, on 10 psi I made 285. Stock internals injectors and pump. Also using 91 octane here in California. At about 12 psi on 93 you'll make about 305 maybe a bit more and the turbo is not being restricted yet. What might restrict you will be the stock air box tho but that is still to be found. From my understanding this kit is not in it's efficient rate until you hit mid 16-17 for optimal power and is rated past that. (Done Research) by using 93 oct you'll be able to add more timing which will allow your tuner to play more and get you more power. On the contrary if you had access to E85 you can go Flex fuel like myself and boost well over 390 Hp on 15.5 psi

lol and have no issues. 17000 miles on my car and had the turbo since the 3,000 ish mark and have no issues at all. You can ask my tuner @DeliciousTuning in a PM or directly on here and explain to him what you want and maybe he can give you a better understanding in what kit would be better suited for you. If you have any AVO questions don't hesitate to ask @AVOturboworld. Both kits are nice it's just what you want out of the kit and what you want to spend and the ease of having things being shipped out to you. Their a few people that bash on the AVO kit but never really owned one or been in one and just go by word of mouth. If you have any other questions to hesitate to ask me.

Reaper · 04-26-2014, 02:51 PM

if you want 300-400 whp go with FBM, gtx28, 550 injectors. I think 1000's are too big for 93 octane at 300whp. I might be wrong though. I definitely know 550's are too small for 450whp on e85.

cdrazic93 · 04-26-2014, 06:41 PM

The AVO turbo's rated air flow is for 250-400 hp, obviously the 400 side of things is on E85, but 300 on pump gas with the right free flowing exhaust will yield 300. 3" are louder, but allow you to run less boost, 2.5" are quieter but you'd have to run 1-2 psi more to get the same power figures.

SmsAlSuwaidi · 04-26-2014, 07:03 PM

Between the two, FullBlown hands down. Don't cheap out as you get what you pay for.

D K · 04-26-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper

I definitely know 550's are too small for 450whp on e85.

1000 is too small for 450w and corn

Dipstik-sportech · 04-26-2014, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D K

1000 is too small for 450w and corn

No they're not

The Frozen North

deucethemoose · 04-26-2014, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diss7

The avo kit is working too hard at 300whp. If you only want to get a figure and hardly use it, then go avo. But pushing avo north of 250whp is not going to be a realiable track/often-raped setup.

Ummmm no.

I am at 300whp at 9psi on my AVO kit. 3" turboback and a panel filter. Plenty more boost to be had.

04-26-2014, 05:08 AM	#1
mrharry Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: GT86 Location: Australia Posts: 33 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Fbm or Avo Hey guys At the moment I'm looking into getting turbo soon for my 86. I'm thinking fbm base kit with gtx30 and 1000cc injectors but that will cost me a arm to bring into Australia. Where as the avo would be the cheaper option but I'm not sure if it would give me the power I'm after which is about 300hp on 98ron(93oct). Any suggestion?

04-26-2014, 05:27 AM	#2
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04-26-2014, 01:08 PM	#8
DesertFrs Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: Scion FRS 10 Series AVO Turbo Location: Coachella Valley / Riverside Posts: 426 Thanks: 303 Thanked 297 Times in 149 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would have to disagree with you on making the AVO working Overtime past 250. On 8 psi of boost I made over 270, on 10 psi I made 285. Stock internals injectors and pump. Also using 91 octane here in California. At about 12 psi on 93 you'll make about 305 maybe a bit more and the turbo is not being restricted yet. What might restrict you will be the stock air box tho but that is still to be found. From my understanding this kit is not in it's efficient rate until you hit mid 16-17 for optimal power and is rated past that. (Done Research) by using 93 oct you'll be able to add more timing which will allow your tuner to play more and get you more power. On the contrary if you had access to E85 you can go Flex fuel like myself and boost well over 390 Hp on 15.5 psi lol and have no issues. 17000 miles on my car and had the turbo since the 3,000 ish mark and have no issues at all. You can ask my tuner @DeliciousTuning in a PM or directly on here and explain to him what you want and maybe he can give you a better understanding in what kit would be better suited for you. If you have any AVO questions don't hesitate to ask @AVOturboworld. Both kits are nice it's just what you want out of the kit and what you want to spend and the ease of having things being shipped out to you. Their a few people that bash on the AVO kit but never really owned one or been in one and just go by word of mouth. If you have any other questions to hesitate to ask me. __________________ AVO STG1 Turbo w/ 8PSI Actuator, AVO 3" Catless Turbo Back Exhaust, AVO Air Filter, ACT 6 Puck Clutch, DW65c Fuel Pump, 900cc DW Injectors, Grimmspeed EBC, Delicious Tuning Custom Tune, 0W-20 Purol, AEM Strutbar, GrimmSpeed Hood Struts, Mann Engineering Coilovers, RacerX UCA, Gram Lights 57Xtreme, 275/35/18 BfGoodrich G-Sport Comp2 Tires, MV Designz Aero Kit, Beatsonic Shark Fin & Roof Spoiler, Five Axis Trunk Spoiler, OEMAudioPlus Reference 400 Last edited by DesertFrs; 04-26-2014 at 01:11 PM. Reason: Spelling error

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diss7 Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: AE86, 2x GT86, TE27 Location: Christchurch NZ Posts: 1,478 Thanks: 826 Thanked 1,181 Times in 522 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The avo kit is working too hard at 300whp. If you only want to get a figure and hardly use it, then go avo. But pushing avo north of 250whp is not going to be a realiable track/often-raped setup.

04-26-2014, 12:55 PM	#6
mrharry Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: GT86 Location: Australia Posts: 33 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	my car is going to be semi daily and for the track so the fbm would be better in the longer run then the avo?

04-26-2014, 02:51 PM	#9
Reaper in orbe terrum non visi Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: violent Location: Mountains Posts: 1,747 Thanks: 279 Thanked 762 Times in 446 Posts Mentioned: 62 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	if you want 300-400 whp go with FBM, gtx28, 550 injectors. I think 1000's are too big for 93 octane at 300whp. I might be wrong though. I definitely know 550's are too small for 450whp on e85.

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cdrazic93 Junior Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: a car Location: Probably at school Posts: 4,341 Thanks: 3,184 Thanked 2,512 Times in 1,502 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The AVO turbo's rated air flow is for 250-400 hp, obviously the 400 side of things is on E85, but 300 on pump gas with the right free flowing exhaust will yield 300. 3" are louder, but allow you to run less boost, 2.5" are quieter but you'd have to run 1-2 psi more to get the same power figures. __________________ "Ah! What music! They could have never imagined, those pioneers who invented the automobile, that it would posses us like this, our imaginations, our dreams. Men love women, but even more than that, men love CARS!"-Lord Hesketh

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