How to destroy an engine in 7 days: Attention Deficit Disorder Edition (FA20club.com)

[nelsmar]

Hi folks. So as many have mentioned my thread (even though it was the condensed version) was far too long to read for people wanting a summary. Here is what was covered in my thread.

• Purchased supercharger
• Had problems with original vendor
• Interviewed FA20club.com's tuner (toni). Found out he was associated with efi-logic.
• Paid toni to tune my car remotely.
• Had problems with tune.
• Decided to fly Toni in to tune car to fix problems in person, hosted dyno day to make it more "fun".
• Helped tuner make a lot of money via dyno day.
• Paid tuner over the standard tuning rate to get things done "right".
• Vendor had issues with shipments.
• Vendor had issues with quality control, including things such as fuel leaks.
• Was misguided on installation causing damage to supercharger.
• Dyno tune had many issues tuner agreed to finish "drivability" remotely. Which never happened
• Found out vendor registered the name EFI-Logic, and realized he was not associated with EFI Logics the legitimate company.
• Found out vendor has had previous companies that are similar (look up fabworx)
• Had continual problems with car starting
• Had horrible communication issues with vendor
• I unlocked my ROM (DO NOT ASK ME TO DO THIS, i talked to ecutek and had them patch the software to fix the vulnerability i used) and inspected it my self. Found many issues.
• Found major issue in tuners AFR sensor calibration showing the car running richer than it was
• Drove car for 12,000 miles apparently at 13-15AFR WOT & 15-17AFR partial before engine blew up
• Tried to work things out with vendor and figure out what happened
• Vendor had constant communication problems throughout the entire time. Was misleading with a number of topics, and simply lied about certain things (such as actually scaling injectors in the tune).
• Found a flaw in other vortech supercharger tunes and 1 (and possibly only one) innovate car. Informed vendor that he needs to resolve this immediatly
• Found out that vendor may have simply had a bad copy & paste, or a bad base file that shouldn't have ever been used. Vendor simply failed to test things as he should have.
• Vendor admitted he screwed up and caused engine failure
• Vendor did not have insurance to cover incident.

You can read the full thread with more details here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56141

[King Tut]

TL;DR

[nelsmar]

LOL! <3

[mattles]

Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit. That's too bad, can't get a proper tuner on this damn platform.

[JuniorAWD]

Originally Posted by mattles

Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit. That's too bad, can't get a proper tuner on this damn platform.

That is not true

[diss7]

Whether he has insurance or not, is not a defence, or an excuse not to pay.

If he's admitted liability (Has he really?) sue him.

That's what I'd be doing.

Put a hold on his assets, file for a court appointed liquidator to issue 7 days notice. (If I were you, I'd invoice him now, so that if he is wrapped up, you are on the books as a creditor.

I don't know enough about the US legal system to advise further. Except to say, if hes admitted liability, thats a big plus for you.

[Touge_ninja]

Originally Posted by mattles

Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit. That's too bad, can't get a proper tuner on this damn platform.

Its funny you say this when we have a great tuner in our area..... Someone needs to get out more often....

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by diss7

Put a hold on his assets, file for a court appointed liquidator to issue 7 days notice. (If I were you, I'd invoice him now, so that if he is wrapped up, you are on the books as a creditor.

I have a feeling his only assets are his laptop and EcuTek cables/licenses. I get the feeling that Toni has been taking orders from new customers to pay for parts sold to previous customers. It is a dangerous cycle that many performance shops fall into that eventually leads to robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[MadFRS]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

• I unlocked my ROM (DO NOT ASK ME TO DO THIS, i talked to ecutek and had them patch the software to fix the vulnerability i used) and inspected it my self. Found many issues.

When I read this all I could think of is the movie 'Hackers'...Thanks for the short read, will check out the full review as well.

I give you props for discovering the backdoor, and even more so, letting EcuTek know about it and fixing it.

[jamesm]

the bug was reported by other users first, but whatever. it wasn't an exploit, just a bug that allowed the day-one version of ecutek for end users to open locked roms.

gotta bust nelsons balls every chance i get

[nelsmar]

If you didn't bust my balls i don't know how I would continue to function. Glad to see you back and posting. The forum has been too quiet as of late!!

[industrial]

Holy shit man. All the knock offs and bad craftsmanship aside, I had no idea club fa20 was so messed up. That bit with Efi-logic(s) is unbelievably underhanded. Efi-logics is a solid shop and that would've thrown me off too. JV was one thing but fa20 takes scumbaggery to a whole nother level...

Hope things work out for you, thanks for the heads up.

[sosick]

My brother had bought a built motor for his mr2 gen2 n it was all fucked. They said because tuned wrong. But he bought the tuned ecu from the same guy. Had his lawyer write a huge letter got all his money back. If u contact ur cc company they might do something bout it.