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nelsmar 01-20-2014 08:14 PM

How to destroy an engine in 7 days: Attention Deficit Disorder Edition (FA20club.com)
 
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Hi folks. So as many have mentioned my thread (even though it was the condensed version) was far too long to read for people wanting a summary. Here is what was covered in my thread.
  • Purchased supercharger
  • Had problems with original vendor
  • Interviewed FA20club.com's tuner (toni). Found out he was associated with efi-logic.
  • Paid toni to tune my car remotely.
  • Had problems with tune.
  • Decided to fly Toni in to tune car to fix problems in person, hosted dyno day to make it more "fun".
  • Helped tuner make a lot of money via dyno day.
  • Paid tuner over the standard tuning rate to get things done "right".
  • Vendor had issues with shipments.
  • Vendor had issues with quality control, including things such as fuel leaks.
  • Was misguided on installation causing damage to supercharger.
  • Dyno tune had many issues tuner agreed to finish "drivability" remotely. Which never happened
  • Found out vendor registered the name EFI-Logic, and realized he was not associated with EFI Logics the legitimate company.
  • Found out vendor has had previous companies that are similar (look up fabworx)
  • Had continual problems with car starting
  • Had horrible communication issues with vendor
  • I unlocked my ROM (DO NOT ASK ME TO DO THIS, i talked to ecutek and had them patch the software to fix the vulnerability i used) and inspected it my self. Found many issues.
  • Found major issue in tuners AFR sensor calibration showing the car running richer than it was
  • Drove car for 12,000 miles apparently at 13-15AFR WOT & 15-17AFR partial before engine blew up
  • Tried to work things out with vendor and figure out what happened
  • Vendor had constant communication problems throughout the entire time. Was misleading with a number of topics, and simply lied about certain things (such as actually scaling injectors in the tune).
  • Found a flaw in other vortech supercharger tunes and 1 (and possibly only one) innovate car. Informed vendor that he needs to resolve this immediatly
  • Found out that vendor may have simply had a bad copy & paste, or a bad base file that shouldn't have ever been used. Vendor simply failed to test things as he should have.
  • Vendor admitted he screwed up and caused engine failure
  • Vendor did not have insurance to cover incident.

You can read the full thread with more details here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56141

King Tut 01-21-2014 12:10 PM

TL;DR

nelsmar 01-21-2014 12:12 PM

LOL! <3

mattles 01-21-2014 12:19 PM

Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit. That's too bad, can't get a proper tuner on this damn platform.

JuniorAWD 01-22-2014 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattles (Post 1467641)
Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit. That's too bad, can't get a proper tuner on this damn platform.


That is not true :D

diss7 01-22-2014 01:35 AM

Whether he has insurance or not, is not a defence, or an excuse not to pay.

If he's admitted liability (Has he really?) sue him.

That's what I'd be doing.

Put a hold on his assets, file for a court appointed liquidator to issue 7 days notice. (If I were you, I'd invoice him now, so that if he is wrapped up, you are on the books as a creditor.

I don't know enough about the US legal system to advise further. Except to say, if hes admitted liability, thats a big plus for you.

Touge_ninja 01-22-2014 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattles (Post 1467641)
Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit. That's too bad, can't get a proper tuner on this damn platform.

Its funny you say this when we have a great tuner in our area..... Someone needs to get out more often....

King Tut 01-22-2014 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1469976)
Put a hold on his assets, file for a court appointed liquidator to issue 7 days notice. (If I were you, I'd invoice him now, so that if he is wrapped up, you are on the books as a creditor.

I have a feeling his only assets are his laptop and EcuTek cables/licenses. I get the feeling that Toni has been taking orders from new customers to pay for parts sold to previous customers. It is a dangerous cycle that many performance shops fall into that eventually leads to robbing Peter to pay Paul.

MadFRS 01-22-2014 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nelsmar (Post 1466016)
  • I unlocked my ROM (DO NOT ASK ME TO DO THIS, i talked to ecutek and had them patch the software to fix the vulnerability i used) and inspected it my self. Found many issues.

When I read this all I could think of is the movie 'Hackers'...Thanks for the short read, will check out the full review as well.

I give you props for discovering the backdoor, and even more so, letting EcuTek know about it and fixing it.
:respekt:

jamesm 01-22-2014 05:47 PM

the bug was reported by other users first, but whatever. it wasn't an exploit, just a bug that allowed the day-one version of ecutek for end users to open locked roms.

gotta bust nelsons balls every chance i get :)

nelsmar 01-22-2014 06:16 PM

If you didn't bust my balls i don't know how I would continue to function. Glad to see you back and posting. The forum has been too quiet as of late!!

industrial 01-23-2014 11:37 AM

Holy shit man. All the knock offs and bad craftsmanship aside, I had no idea club fa20 was so messed up. That bit with Efi-logic(s) is unbelievably underhanded. Efi-logics is a solid shop and that would've thrown me off too. JV was one thing but fa20 takes scumbaggery to a whole nother level...

Hope things work out for you, thanks for the heads up.

sosick 01-24-2014 08:11 PM

My brother had bought a built motor for his mr2 gen2 n it was all fucked. They said because tuned wrong. But he bought the tuned ecu from the same guy. Had his lawyer write a huge letter got all his money back. If u contact ur cc company they might do something bout it.


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