2014 FR-S AT - Realistic Gains ALL Bolt On - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

F1fletch · 01-10-2014, 03:25 PM

Soooooo.....IF I stay NA, what is a realistic number to shoot for if I did the following:

Intake
Header with cats
Complete Exhaust with Cats and Resonator
ECU-Tek Programming

I understand the AT's lose about 10hp at the wheels to the Manuals so that being considered, could I get to 190 at the wheels? 230bhp? While I am sure some of you have gone with full bolt on's I haven't seen posts by anyone with AT, full bolt on's and programming. Sorry if I missed it. I know dyno's and opinions vary but I am trying to establish some realistic goals to acheive by summer. I know 6k will get me FI but I am leaving that off the table for now.

Thanks

Touge_ninja · 01-10-2014, 03:29 PM

On a Basic NA setup with the following parts:
Revworks UEL Headers
Injen Intake
Invidia N1 Catback
AVO Overpipe
J2 Catted front pipe
Stage 1 NA Tune

got me around 178WHP

If your talking about more realistic, then the only way to get to 190+ is by going FI. AT's lose more than just 10hp vs manuals. Alot also depends on the tuner and fuel quality.

here is my dyno sheet with above setup

CircuitJerk · 01-10-2014, 03:44 PM

I hit 190 w E85 on a DynoJet
(All P&L) Catted header, Overpipe, catless front pipe & Catback
AVO silicone inlet tube, Perrin Foam filter <-- not very relevant I don't think...

Touge_ninja · 01-10-2014, 03:47 PM

<------doesnt trust corn fuel

Tye300 · 01-10-2014, 03:56 PM

Here's my Dyno sheet when my car was NA. Mods were revworks header, overpipe, testpipe, JDM TRD exhaust, HKS premium suction intake. We did a Dyno day with around 8 cars, 3 were ATs and we confirmed that the ATs were down 10whp from the MTs. That said, the MTs baselined around 155-160whp stock and the ATs baselined 140-145whp stock. After tuning almost everybody went up almost 20whp. But the ATs were still down 10whp.

Touge_ninja · 01-10-2014, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tye300

Here's my Dyno sheet when my car was NA. Mods were revworks header, overpipe, testpipe, JDM TRD exhaust, HKS premium suction intake. We did a Dyno day with around 8 cars, 3 were ATs and we confirmed that the ATs were down 10whp from the MTs. That said, the MTs baselined around 155-160whp stock and the ATs baselined 140-145whp stock. After tuning almost everybody went up almost 20whp. But the ATs were still down 10whp.

hmmm thats weird, let me dig around and look for my baseline dyno. i know mine was higher than 140

heres my baseline, Blue is stock and red was after injen intake install both are on OEM ECU tune

Tye300 · 01-10-2014, 04:12 PM

For some reason the Dyno numbers here always read lower than what you guys get over there. Must be the heat or humidity we have here.

Touge_ninja · 01-10-2014, 04:14 PM

hmmm i think so as well. didnt realize you were from Philippines, but i know from experience you guys get 100oct there easy so the numbers should be better.

F1fletch · 01-10-2014, 04:17 PM

Wow talk about variances in baseline's, sheesh. So aither way it looks like 20whp is max to be expected after all those mods and a tune, probably around 230 at the crank. Losing 50hp to the wheels is really bad, maybe it is just the nature of the beast. My current car is 335is which is notoriously underrated and put a healthy dose to the wheels (I know, I know not fair..). Looks like boosted may be the only way.

Touge_ninja · 01-10-2014, 04:26 PM

here is my turbo dyno sheet

F1fletch · 01-10-2014, 05:27 PM

WOW, now those are some AT numbers right there!!!!

lickitysplit · 01-10-2014, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1fletch

Soooooo.....IF I stay NA, what is a realistic number to shoot for if I did the following:

Intake
Header with cats
Complete Exhaust with Cats and Resonator
ECU-Tek Programming

I understand the AT's lose about 10hp at the wheels to the Manuals so that being considered, could I get to 190 at the wheels? 230bhp? While I am sure some of you have gone with full bolt on's I haven't seen posts by anyone with AT, full bolt on's and programming. Sorry if I missed it. I know dyno's and opinions vary but I am trying to establish some realistic goals to acheive by summer. I know 6k will get me FI but I am leaving that off the table for now.

Thanks

I hit 190hp 151tq with the mods in my sig on 93.

BlueDubbinTDI · 01-10-2014, 06:18 PM

Hot damn I had no idea we lost so much power...Ide be ok with 185ish NA but wouldn't even bother if I couldn't reach that without a miracle.

How much do you think a drop-in + catless front pipe would make on 93oct?

StormTrooper · 01-10-2014, 07:24 PM

At least you're not high altitude.... At 4500ft I'm down another 15-20 HP from stock. So my manual is as slow or slower than an auto.

01-10-2014, 03:25 PM	#1
F1fletch Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: 13 FR-S AT Location: Mountain House, Ca Posts: 374 Thanks: 67 Thanked 116 Times in 65 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	2014 FR-S AT - Realistic Gains ALL Bolt On Soooooo.....IF I stay NA, what is a realistic number to shoot for if I did the following: Intake Header with cats Complete Exhaust with Cats and Resonator ECU-Tek Programming I understand the AT's lose about 10hp at the wheels to the Manuals so that being considered, could I get to 190 at the wheels? 230bhp? While I am sure some of you have gone with full bolt on's I haven't seen posts by anyone with AT, full bolt on's and programming. Sorry if I missed it. I know dyno's and opinions vary but I am trying to establish some realistic goals to acheive by summer. I know 6k will get me FI but I am leaving that off the table for now. Thanks

01-10-2014, 03:56 PM	#5
Tye300 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Toyota 86 TRD Version AT Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 883 Thanks: 548 Thanked 599 Times in 283 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Here's my Dyno sheet when my car was NA. Mods were revworks header, overpipe, testpipe, JDM TRD exhaust, HKS premium suction intake. We did a Dyno day with around 8 cars, 3 were ATs and we confirmed that the ATs were down 10whp from the MTs. That said, the MTs baselined around 155-160whp stock and the ATs baselined 140-145whp stock. After tuning almost everybody went up almost 20whp. But the ATs were still down 10whp. __________________ Vortech Supercharged Flex Fuel 86 TRD AT Visit my build thread here.

01-10-2014, 04:12 PM	#7
Tye300 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Toyota 86 TRD Version AT Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 883 Thanks: 548 Thanked 599 Times in 283 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	For some reason the Dyno numbers here always read lower than what you guys get over there. Must be the heat or humidity we have here. __________________ Vortech Supercharged Flex Fuel 86 TRD AT Visit my build thread here.

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01-10-2014, 03:29 PM	#2
Touge_ninja Sending rods to their doo Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 700HP STi Location: Seattle WA Posts: 1,926 Thanks: 169 Thanked 541 Times in 369 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	On a Basic NA setup with the following parts: Revworks UEL Headers Injen Intake Invidia N1 Catback AVO Overpipe J2 Catted front pipe Stage 1 NA Tune got me around 178WHP If your talking about more realistic, then the only way to get to 190+ is by going FI. AT's lose more than just 10hp vs manuals. Alot also depends on the tuner and fuel quality. here is my dyno sheet with above setup

01-10-2014, 03:44 PM	#3
CircuitJerk Pull my finger... Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Silver Scion Slushbox Location: Illinois Posts: 996 Thanks: 476 Thanked 367 Times in 226 Posts Mentioned: 26 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I hit 190 w E85 on a DynoJet (All P&L) Catted header, Overpipe, catless front pipe & Catback AVO silicone inlet tube, Perrin Foam filter <-- not very relevant I don't think...

01-10-2014, 03:47 PM	#4
Touge_ninja Sending rods to their doo Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 700HP STi Location: Seattle WA Posts: 1,926 Thanks: 169 Thanked 541 Times in 369 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	<------doesnt trust corn fuel

01-10-2014, 04:14 PM	#8
Touge_ninja Sending rods to their doo Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 700HP STi Location: Seattle WA Posts: 1,926 Thanks: 169 Thanked 541 Times in 369 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	hmmm i think so as well. didnt realize you were from Philippines, but i know from experience you guys get 100oct there easy so the numbers should be better.

01-10-2014, 04:17 PM	#9
F1fletch Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: 13 FR-S AT Location: Mountain House, Ca Posts: 374 Thanks: 67 Thanked 116 Times in 65 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wow talk about variances in baseline's, sheesh. So aither way it looks like 20whp is max to be expected after all those mods and a tune, probably around 230 at the crank. Losing 50hp to the wheels is really bad, maybe it is just the nature of the beast. My current car is 335is which is notoriously underrated and put a healthy dose to the wheels (I know, I know not fair..). Looks like boosted may be the only way.

01-10-2014, 04:26 PM	#10
Touge_ninja Sending rods to their doo Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 700HP STi Location: Seattle WA Posts: 1,926 Thanks: 169 Thanked 541 Times in 369 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	here is my turbo dyno sheet

01-10-2014, 05:27 PM	#11
F1fletch Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: 13 FR-S AT Location: Mountain House, Ca Posts: 374 Thanks: 67 Thanked 116 Times in 65 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	WOW, now those are some AT numbers right there!!!!

01-10-2014, 06:18 PM	#13
BlueDubbinTDI Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S, 2012 MCS Location: Jax, FL Posts: 1,975 Thanks: 943 Thanked 570 Times in 356 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hot damn I had no idea we lost so much power...Ide be ok with 185ish NA but wouldn't even bother if I couldn't reach that without a miracle. How much do you think a drop-in + catless front pipe would make on 93oct?

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