Advice needed on wheel stud issue - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

THEmailman · 12-15-2013, 04:18 PM

Hello everyone, have a dilemma right now and want some educated opinions.

I track the FR-S as often as possible and did an event at the end of October at NJMP. I use dedicated track pads so I (obviously) have to take the wheels off to change them out. I did it no problem (not the first time swapping them) but since I knew I was going to be doing another event in about a month and knowing I wasn't going to be driving the car a lot in the intervening time, I opted to not swap back to stock.

Two weeks later I went in to Toyota to get the taillight (condensation) fixed and figured I'd do the 7500 mile service too. Everything went fine (as far as I knew) so fast forward to last weekend, no problems at the track. Today however I decided to swap the track pads back to stock ones. Got the fronts done with no issue but when trying to take off the passenger rear wheel, as I'm loosening one of the lugs, it feels as though I'm tightening it. Using an impact wrench yields no results either. I get confirmation on my theory from two mechanics in the shop I'm using that the lug is cross threaded.

So here's the dilemma. I did not take the wheels off since the dealership touched them so I'm 100% sure the mechanic working on it was being lazy with an impact gun and cross threaded it. But I'm sure that the dealer will deny its their fault. I always use a breaker bar/torque wrench when working on the wheels so I'm positive I did not cause the issue. I also just got moved from VA to Camp Lejeune in NC so the dealer that did the work is 5 hrs away. It seems to be an easy job so is it worth it to argue with the dealer and Toyota to admit fault and fix it for free or should I do it myself? Further, I know that I want to go to aftermarket wheels and tires in the near future, so (in the spirit of while I'm there.....) should I change to better studs and get lugs that will fit the aftermarket studs and wheels?

Thanks for reading since its a long post but you need the full background to understand the situation. Let me know your questions or clarifications.

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pche · 12-15-2013, 04:50 PM

I'd just change it out myself if I were you. Sounds like the dealer did it but it's gonna be hard to prove. Even if they would replace it for you it's still 5 hours away.

You don't need different studs for aftermarket wheels unless you're planning on running spacers.

Tt3Sheppard · 12-15-2013, 07:14 PM

I had the same issue and I think the dealer messed up mine as well. From what I hear the stock studs are not that strong. Since you are tracking quite often it would make sense to invest in longer and stronger aftermarket studs.

humfrz · 12-15-2013, 08:03 PM

You might consider asking the local dealer ..... they may make it right ... maybe not .... won't hurt to ask.

humfrz

Ozzman · 12-15-2013, 10:16 PM

just get a new wheel stud and change it yourself, it will be the least stressful route for you to take.

Doborder · 12-16-2013, 09:02 PM

I hate to hear these stories. The OEM lugs are CRAP. I cross threaded at least 4 studs before I got smart and got new lugs. Since you track a lot, I recommend ARP studs with new lugs... You will never worry about lug nuts agains whether you use impact wrench or not. These things are almost indestructable. Also, a buddy of mine cracked all 5 studs at the track... I didn't believe it until I saw his track video and his front wheel rolled in front of him.

Its cheap insurance if you track your car often. $200 for Mutakei lugs and ARP studs
My $0.02

Pete156 · 12-16-2013, 11:54 PM

He's right!

OEM lugs/studs are crap!

12-15-2013, 04:18 PM	#1
THEmailman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Raven 6MT Location: Eastern NC Posts: 113 Thanks: 30 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Advice needed on wheel stud issue Hello everyone, have a dilemma right now and want some educated opinions. I track the FR-S as often as possible and did an event at the end of October at NJMP. I use dedicated track pads so I (obviously) have to take the wheels off to change them out. I did it no problem (not the first time swapping them) but since I knew I was going to be doing another event in about a month and knowing I wasn't going to be driving the car a lot in the intervening time, I opted to not swap back to stock. Two weeks later I went in to Toyota to get the taillight (condensation) fixed and figured I'd do the 7500 mile service too. Everything went fine (as far as I knew) so fast forward to last weekend, no problems at the track. Today however I decided to swap the track pads back to stock ones. Got the fronts done with no issue but when trying to take off the passenger rear wheel, as I'm loosening one of the lugs, it feels as though I'm tightening it. Using an impact wrench yields no results either. I get confirmation on my theory from two mechanics in the shop I'm using that the lug is cross threaded. So here's the dilemma. I did not take the wheels off since the dealership touched them so I'm 100% sure the mechanic working on it was being lazy with an impact gun and cross threaded it. But I'm sure that the dealer will deny its their fault. I always use a breaker bar/torque wrench when working on the wheels so I'm positive I did not cause the issue. I also just got moved from VA to Camp Lejeune in NC so the dealer that did the work is 5 hrs away. It seems to be an easy job so is it worth it to argue with the dealer and Toyota to admit fault and fix it for free or should I do it myself? Further, I know that I want to go to aftermarket wheels and tires in the near future, so (in the spirit of while I'm there.....) should I change to better studs and get lugs that will fit the aftermarket studs and wheels? Thanks for reading since its a long post but you need the full background to understand the situation. Let me know your questions or clarifications. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk __________________ Goodridge SS brake lines//ProjectMu 999's//Motul DOT 5.1 brake fluid//GrimmSpeed master cylinder brace//Jackson Racing Oil Cooler//Whiteline camber bolts//Raceseng CamCas plates//Kosei K4R 17x8//BFGoodrich Rivals 225/45

12-16-2013, 09:02 PM	#6
Doborder Godzilla Konvert Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: DMG BRZ Limited 6MT 2013 Location: Somewhere on earth Posts: 215 Thanks: 47 Thanked 45 Times in 34 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 6 Thread(s)	I hate to hear these stories. The OEM lugs are CRAP. I cross threaded at least 4 studs before I got smart and got new lugs. Since you track a lot, I recommend ARP studs with new lugs... You will never worry about lug nuts agains whether you use impact wrench or not. These things are almost indestructable. Also, a buddy of mine cracked all 5 studs at the track... I didn't believe it until I saw his track video and his front wheel rolled in front of him. Its cheap insurance if you track your car often. $200 for Mutakei lugs and ARP studs My $0.02 __________________ 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited MT (DMG) CO>CA Cartel

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12-15-2013, 04:50 PM	#2
pche Guy on internet Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: Slowly Location: PA Posts: 582 Thanks: 1,407 Thanked 492 Times in 233 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd just change it out myself if I were you. Sounds like the dealer did it but it's gonna be hard to prove. Even if they would replace it for you it's still 5 hours away. You don't need different studs for aftermarket wheels unless you're planning on running spacers.

12-15-2013, 08:03 PM	#4
humfrz Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT Location: Puyallup, WA Posts: 30,432 Thanks: 29,826 Thanked 32,845 Times in 16,844 Posts Mentioned: 715 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	You might consider asking the local dealer ..... they may make it right ... maybe not .... won't hurt to ask. humfrz

12-15-2013, 10:16 PM	#5
Ozzman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: old Location: Roswell Posts: 232 Thanks: 188 Thanked 103 Times in 59 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	just get a new wheel stud and change it yourself, it will be the least stressful route for you to take.

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