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Old 08-09-2013, 02:04 AM   #1
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The facts behind Flex Fuel kits available for the 86

The purpose of this thread is to compare the two options that are currently available for our platform. The goal is to state facts only and not opinion so others can make an informed decision. This thread will be updated and added to as other provide details I can add. This is not meant to start a war just provide facts.

We will not be judging customer service, turn around time on tickets or behaviors of either vendor.

Please provide facts, pics and any other document I may be missing. Please provide links as needed. Please submit corrections to any information I have so I can correct it.


When did the first kit come out and by whom?
FA20CLUB.com - 12/31/12 FA20Club Announces their kit is for sale
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25342


Visconti - 5/7/13 Visconti Announces their kit is for sale
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35787


What type of hardware is used?
The kit is comprised of two main components which do the work. The controller and the analyzer, the rest of the kit is a few electrical and fuel lines.

FA20CLUB.com
Ethanol Content Analyzer - Zeitronix ECA - http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/ECA/ECA.shtml
Controller - GM 13577394

Visconti
Ethanol Content Analyzer - Zeitronix ECA - http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/ECA/ECA.shtml
First model GM????????
Revised version that can be mounted - Controller - GM 13577379


Included Parts

FA20CLUB.com (as described by themselves)
Adaptive fuel lines
EcuTek Adanvaced Flex Fuel Maps
Complete Instructions
Ethanol Content Sensor & Mount
Zeitronix Content Analyzer
Plug-N-Play Wire Harness

Visconti (as described by themselves)
Zeitronix ECA (Ethanol Content Analyzer)
Plug & Play Fuel Line Kit
ECU Wiring Harness - NOW INCLUDED
Factory Fuel Line Removal Tool
Wiring, Connectors, etc.

Installation Guides

FA20CLUB.com
o 6 page PDF with images. Includes pinout of ECU connection that needs to be made.

Visconti
o No Official Documentation However Houston 86 members did a great DIY

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40404



Average time to receive Base Map after ordering the kit(this does not include tune updates or calibration updates only the initial tune.)

FA20CLUB.com
Unknown

Visconti
Unknown


Known Issues

FA20CLUB.com
o Unknown

Visconti
o Double sided tape is that mounts the ethanol sensor does not hold the sensor after warm temperatures.
o There are reports of the inner diameter of the supplied rubber hose going to the factory hard line being the incorrect diameter. This small difference is causing fuel leakage in some cases. There are two supplemental items that can be purchased to remedy these issues. $25 for a compression fitting to the hard line and 75$ for a replacement sensor that has mounting holes.


Pictures of the Kits

FA20CLUB.com - Complete Kit minus the optional ECU Harness


Visconti - Complete original Kit with ECU Harness



Optional update kit



Dyno Results

FA20CLUB.com
o Flex Fuel on a Vortech Coming Soon
o Flex Fuel on a Innovate Coming Soon
o Flex Fuel on N/A Coming Soon

Visconti
o Flex Fuel on N/A Coming Soon


Price

FA20club.com - $650 + $90 ECU Harness
http://www.fa20club.com/product.php?productid=17758&cat=251&page=1

Visconti - $900 - ECU Harness Included
+$25 Updated fuel compression fitting
+$75 Updated ethanol sensor that mounts
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35787

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You missed a "bold" for Visconti under Included Parts
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Visconti Flex Fuel Kit + $25 Coupler & $75 Sensor:
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FA20Club kit is 650+175 for harness.
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There aren't that many people here running the FA20club FF kit. Only three when Visconti's kit was released. Dunno how many there are now or how many there were local.

One more thing is what you need besides the kit. I know both need their respective tune but it seems like there was something else. I'll look into it later.
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Should include price for the tune from each, if applicable.

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I believe your part numbers are off, at least for Visconti's second round it looks like he's sending out GM 13577379, not 13577394. I have Visconti's first round kit, but opted on getting the sensor on my own since the pricing he had for it was not favorable.
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We actually found a new source for the ECU harness this week. The price is now $90.00
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We actually found a new source for the ECU harness this week. The price is now $90.00
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Should include price for the tune from each, if applicable.

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I know FA20Club pricing is requiring an existing tune (N/A or boosted whatever) + the kit.

If you have a cable & License:
Vortech Tune: $300.00
Fa20club Flex Fuel: $650.00
FA20Club Harness: $90.00
Total: $1040.0

Starting from scratch:
License, Cable, Vortech combo: $900.00
FA20Club Flex Fuel: $650.00
FA20club Harness: $90.00
Total: $1640.00

Vortech pricing (seperate, or with cable & license)
http://www.fa20club.com/product.php?...cat=251&page=1
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I know FA20Club pricing is requiring an existing tune (N/A or boosted whatever) + the kit.

If you have a cable & License:
Vortech Tune: $300.00
Fa20club Flex Fuel: $650.00
FA20Club Harness: $90.00
Total: $1040.0

Starting from scratch:
License, Cable, Vortech combo: $900.00
FA20Club Flex Fuel: $650.00
FA20club Harness: $90.00
Total: $1640.00

Vortech pricing (seperate, or with cable & license)
http://www.fa20club.com/product.php?...cat=251&page=1
Further complicating the pricing is that FA20Club will update your existing FA20Club tune (at least the Vortech pumpgas based on my inquiry) for free, whereas it appears that Visconti's tune depends on which tune of his you already own which varies the price from $150 to $700 on top of the kit.

I suppose the third option is to just get someone else to tune it, but for most people going with either of these FlexFuel kits, I think it's probably safe that they already use one or the other for tuning, so that should weigh into the equation.
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And yes we do have a install guide anyone that needs to see it can just send a request for it along with your email address.
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And yes we do have a install guide anyone that needs to see it can just send a request for it along with your email address.
Can you provide it so I can add it to this page or give me details of how many pages and what format with how many images are in it.
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