Rock in Motor- Portland Area - Need Advise - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Gbaby86 · 03-21-2016, 04:16 PM

New to the forum. Have searched a lot but just decided to sign up because i need advice from y'all who know this motor before i spend the $$ for the fix.

Long story short went to change my oil Friday. Somehow a rock got in the funnel as i was transferring it to the oil filler and it went right in. So I had the rock sitting on top of the camshaft timing intake gear (if i would have known prior about the camshaft oil control valve i could have got it). Ended up pushing the rock down next to the timing exhaust gear below. Tried removing it through control valve with no luck. It is currently sitting right below the pulley. Between the pulley and the case i would say. Pretty tough angle to get between to scoop it out with anything.

I would say i am at the point where i gotta break that case open. Not totally sure what that entails. Going to call around later today to get some quotes. If anyone on here knows a shop in the Portland/Gresham area that is familar with FA20's so i could get an accurate quote that would be appriciated!

Weather or not its going to be spendy will be the deciding factor if i take on this project myself or not. Ive got a couple buddies that know motors pretty well but not the FA20 in particular. It would be nice to get input from someone on here that knows the motor real well.

Thanks in advance for any input!

Kody

fumanchu1 · 03-21-2016, 04:23 PM

This post had me like WTF several times, good luck with your very weird issue

steve99 · 03-21-2016, 04:42 PM

Maybe a mobile mechanic may have a vacuum device to suck it out. or tape a small tube to your vacuum cleaner and suck it out

fumanchu1 · 03-21-2016, 04:47 PM

That is actually outside the box thinking and may just work, just make sure the tube is big enough to suck the rock in

HimBRZ · 03-21-2016, 04:50 PM

I like the vacuum idea.

Gbaby86 · 03-21-2016, 04:53 PM

Tried the vacuum method with no luck. I think it was jammed between the timing gear and the case. Couldnt get it to budge until it fell lower

Who8myrice · 03-21-2016, 05:04 PM

I guess fa20 is rock solid ?

humfrz · 03-21-2016, 05:04 PM

I'm a bit confused as to where the rock is at the present time.......??

Is it on the inside or outside the engine block .. ??

Can you see it ..??

humfrz

fumanchu1 · 03-21-2016, 05:19 PM

Humfrz coming in hot with the 1800s method to get this fixed (I'll be taking bets)

I personally says he goes with a tree branch with a piece of gum attached to it

From what I gather humfrz it's inside the block at this time

Gbaby86 · 03-21-2016, 05:56 PM

Yea it is in the timing chain/belt cover between the pulley and case.

go_a_way1 · 03-21-2016, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Humfrz coming in hot with the 1800s method to get this fixed (I'll be taking bets)

I personally says he goes with a tree branch with a piece of gum attached to it

From what I gather humfrz it's inside the block at this time

My money is on the ol' flip it upside down and shake it trick

ryoma · 03-21-2016, 06:59 PM

do you have a grabber tool? I have this cable grabber tool where you pull on the top cable to extend and close the claws. you can probably find one similar at a car parts store. if you can see the rock, you can probably grab it with that tool

zc06_kisstherain · 03-21-2016, 07:29 PM

dammm i cant imagine myself see rock goes into engine. hope you get that sucker out!

Sideways · 03-21-2016, 07:56 PM

If vacuum cleaner method doesn't work, try automotive flex tool grabber. I think you can get it from your local auto tools shop.

03-21-2016, 04:16 PM	#1
Gbaby86 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FRS 6-MT Location: Sandy OR Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s)	Rock in Motor- Portland Area - Need Advise New to the forum. Have searched a lot but just decided to sign up because i need advice from y'all who know this motor before i spend the $$ for the fix. Long story short went to change my oil Friday. Somehow a rock got in the funnel as i was transferring it to the oil filler and it went right in. So I had the rock sitting on top of the camshaft timing intake gear (if i would have known prior about the camshaft oil control valve i could have got it). Ended up pushing the rock down next to the timing exhaust gear below. Tried removing it through control valve with no luck. It is currently sitting right below the pulley. Between the pulley and the case i would say. Pretty tough angle to get between to scoop it out with anything. I would say i am at the point where i gotta break that case open. Not totally sure what that entails. Going to call around later today to get some quotes. If anyone on here knows a shop in the Portland/Gresham area that is familar with FA20's so i could get an accurate quote that would be appriciated! Weather or not its going to be spendy will be the deciding factor if i take on this project myself or not. Ive got a couple buddies that know motors pretty well but not the FA20 in particular. It would be nice to get input from someone on here that knows the motor real well. Thanks in advance for any input! Kody

03-21-2016, 06:59 PM	#12
ryoma Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited CWP Location: SoCal Posts: 1,561 Thanks: 34 Thanked 669 Times in 469 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s)	do you have a grabber tool? I have this cable grabber tool where you pull on the top cable to extend and close the claws. you can probably find one similar at a car parts store. if you can see the rock, you can probably grab it with that tool __________________ My 2015 CWP BRZ Build

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steve99 Banned Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: FT86 Location: Australia Posts: 7,996 Thanks: 1,035 Thanked 4,998 Times in 2,985 Posts Mentioned: 598 Post(s)	Maybe a mobile mechanic may have a vacuum device to suck it out. or tape a small tube to your vacuum cleaner and suck it out

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fumanchu1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Drives: 2013 Brz C38 (bought not built :P) Location: Gatineau, Qc, Canada Posts: 1,914 Thanks: 422 Thanked 1,249 Times in 802 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s)	That is actually outside the box thinking and may just work, just make sure the tube is big enough to suck the rock in

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HimBRZ Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Drives: 2013 BRZ Limited Location: Elvisland Posts: 58 Thanks: 4 Thanked 37 Times in 18 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	I like the vacuum idea.

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Gbaby86 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FRS 6-MT Location: Sandy OR Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s)	Tried the vacuum method with no luck. I think it was jammed between the timing gear and the case. Couldnt get it to budge until it fell lower

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Who8myrice Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: Ap2 Location: Inland empire Posts: 196 Thanks: 34 Thanked 87 Times in 56 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	I guess fa20 is rock solid ?

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humfrz Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT Location: Puyallup, WA Posts: 30,436 Thanks: 29,833 Thanked 32,866 Times in 16,849 Posts Mentioned: 717 Post(s)	I'm a bit confused as to where the rock is at the present time.......?? Is it on the inside or outside the engine block .. ?? Can you see it ..?? humfrz

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fumanchu1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Drives: 2013 Brz C38 (bought not built :P) Location: Gatineau, Qc, Canada Posts: 1,914 Thanks: 422 Thanked 1,249 Times in 802 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s)	Humfrz coming in hot with the 1800s method to get this fixed (I'll be taking bets) I personally says he goes with a tree branch with a piece of gum attached to it From what I gather humfrz it's inside the block at this time

03-21-2016, 05:56 PM	#10
Gbaby86 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FRS 6-MT Location: Sandy OR Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s)	Yea it is in the timing chain/belt cover between the pulley and case.

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zc06_kisstherain Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: SWP BRZ Location: NJ Posts: 3,196 Thanks: 727 Thanked 670 Times in 510 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s)	dammm i cant imagine myself see rock goes into engine. hope you get that sucker out!

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Sideways BRZZZZZ Join Date: Jun 2015 Drives: 2013 BRZ Whiteout Location: The White North Posts: 318 Thanks: 96 Thanked 161 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	If vacuum cleaner method doesn't work, try automotive flex tool grabber. I think you can get it from your local auto tools shop.