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driftking96 · 02-15-2016, 02:03 AM

Hey guys, I have two CEL codes which I posted about on a earlier thread

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101578

But on a separate note because I don't think my two CEL codes are preventing me from starting and running my engine (Please correct me if I'm wrong). Battery is at 13.5 volts. all lighting works, alarm works, car is stock with no mods. Just put in 20L of premium Shell VPower Nitro just to make sure it wasn't the gas decomposing and causing issues. When I put my key and turn it once, my accessories are all powered on and I hear a whirring sound (Common apparently due to throttle opening, I may be wrong). Then when I turn my key again, all my lights come up on the cluster. Try starting my car and it cranks, so I think the starter works and then it ceases and fails to run the actual engine and goes out with a giant puff sound which I think is air being sucked from the intake area (which I took off cos it was broken). Any ideas fellow twin owners/enthusiasts? Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Got in to a front end crash.

_gt86_user · 02-15-2016, 02:19 AM

buy a new whatever was broken on your intake and try it again.

driftking96 · 02-15-2016, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _gt86_user

buy a new whatever was broken on your intake and try it again.

It was literally the plastic stock intake piece. I highly doubt that is the reason the engine can crank but doesn't run.

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_gt86_user · 02-15-2016, 02:27 AM

What stock intake piece? And did you just leave it open or plug it somehow? Anyways if you don't think that's what it is, then all good. You're the one who asked.

Your post reads that you removed the "air intake area" which is confusing since it sounds like your trying to start your car with no intake. You said your car was stock so if you removed the OEM intake and have nothing there that might be the problem lol.

Ultramaroon · 02-15-2016, 02:35 AM

pic of the stock intake piece that's broken.

driftking96 · 02-15-2016, 02:45 AM

I'm bout to drive. I will fully reply and post pics as soon as I can. FYI I got into a front end crash so yea. Tryna fix and figure some things out myself.

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steve99 · 02-15-2016, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftking96

I'm bout to drive. I will fully reply and post pics as soon as I can. FYI I got into a front end crash so yea. Tryna fix and figure some things out myself.

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If the car wont start after crash then its likely related to crash damage.

both codes relate to throttle actuator issues.

pull off the intake and make sure nothig is stuck in throttle plate
turn ignition on ( dont try to start) get a friend press throttle and see if throttle plate moves full range freely.

slowest86 · 02-15-2016, 06:39 AM

Could have sucked in broken pieces of the air box.

_gt86_user · 02-15-2016, 01:39 PM

Wow, could have just said you were in a front end collision in your OP.

kev60625 · 02-15-2016, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _gt86_user

Wow, could have just said you were in a front end collision in your OP.

Leaves that out as if it doesn't matter

Spartarus · 02-15-2016, 02:08 PM

*Looks at username* ...We want to hear the story of this front-end accident. With pics.

Then we will help you fix it.

The pictures will help in that endeavor.

Need to see the throttle body and intake manifold before I can help with the actuator and min stop code.

If the throttle body motor isn't working properly, the car will not start or idle. It's a drive-by-wire throttle.

Panamaniac · 02-15-2016, 04:38 PM

I am rebuilding a salvage title FRS, and had this same issue last week.

My issue was grounding....

My injector driver module (EDU) stand was broken and it was just sitting next to the baterry, I added a ground cable to it and the car started with no problem.

driftking96 · 02-15-2016, 07:08 PM

Lol I didn't mention accident cos its like mentioning something bad. Not proud of it but w.e my fault for not educating you guys enough about the issue I have. Anyways I checked the throttle body when I had some time today and turns out I had a plastic piece stuck in it. I'm hoping it will clear the engine codes and then I will continue to remove and inspect the manifold just to be safe. I attempted to start the car before and I failed. I'm just hoping I didn't damage anything due to me not knowing the plastic piece was affecting the throttle body and perhaps even the manifold. When I get a chance to inspect it today I will.

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driftking96 · 02-15-2016, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panamaniac

I am rebuilding a salvage title FRS, and had this same issue last week.

My issue was grounding....

My injector driver module (EDU) stand was broken and it was just sitting next to the baterry, I added a ground cable to it and the car started with no problem.

I will also take a look at the EDU just to be safe and keep you posted. Thanks for the valuable info brother.

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02-15-2016, 02:03 AM	#1
driftking96 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: 2014 Scion FR-S, 1998 Honda Accord Location: Canada Posts: 89 Thanks: 154 Thanked 12 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Engine starts but doesn't run Hey guys, I have two CEL codes which I posted about on a earlier thread http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101578 But on a separate note because I don't think my two CEL codes are preventing me from starting and running my engine (Please correct me if I'm wrong). Battery is at 13.5 volts. all lighting works, alarm works, car is stock with no mods. Just put in 20L of premium Shell VPower Nitro just to make sure it wasn't the gas decomposing and causing issues. When I put my key and turn it once, my accessories are all powered on and I hear a whirring sound (Common apparently due to throttle opening, I may be wrong). Then when I turn my key again, all my lights come up on the cluster. Try starting my car and it cranks, so I think the starter works and then it ceases and fails to run the actual engine and goes out with a giant puff sound which I think is air being sucked from the intake area (which I took off cos it was broken). Any ideas fellow twin owners/enthusiasts? Thanks in advance. EDIT: Got in to a front end crash. Attached Images Last edited by driftking96; 02-15-2016 at 07:13 PM.

02-15-2016, 02:35 AM	#5
Ultramaroon not playing cards Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: a 13 e8h frs Location: vantucky, wa Posts: 32,396 Thanks: 53,053 Thanked 37,225 Times in 19,308 Posts Mentioned: 1117 Post(s) Tagged: 9 Thread(s)	pic of the stock intake piece that's broken. __________________ service manuals

02-15-2016, 02:08 PM	#11
Spartarus ...Just add nauseum Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: 2003 (AP1) S2000 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 546 Thanks: 310 Thanked 785 Times in 335 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	*Looks at username* ...We want to hear the story of this front-end accident. With pics. Then we will help you fix it. The pictures will help in that endeavor. Need to see the throttle body and intake manifold before I can help with the actuator and min stop code. If the throttle body motor isn't working properly, the car will not start or idle. It's a drive-by-wire throttle. __________________ There are many ways to displace. -Spartarus

02-15-2016, 07:08 PM	#13
driftking96 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: 2014 Scion FR-S, 1998 Honda Accord Location: Canada Posts: 89 Thanks: 154 Thanked 12 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Lol I didn't mention accident cos its like mentioning something bad. Not proud of it but w.e my fault for not educating you guys enough about the issue I have. Anyways I checked the throttle body when I had some time today and turns out I had a plastic piece stuck in it. I'm hoping it will clear the engine codes and then I will continue to remove and inspect the manifold just to be safe. I attempted to start the car before and I failed. I'm just hoping I didn't damage anything due to me not knowing the plastic piece was affecting the throttle body and perhaps even the manifold. When I get a chance to inspect it today I will. Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk Last edited by driftking96; 02-15-2016 at 07:19 PM.

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02-15-2016, 02:19 AM	#2
_gt86_user Inactive Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: . Location: . Posts: 289 Thanks: 40 Thanked 84 Times in 65 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	buy a new whatever was broken on your intake and try it again.

02-15-2016, 02:27 AM	#4
_gt86_user Inactive Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: . Location: . Posts: 289 Thanks: 40 Thanked 84 Times in 65 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	What stock intake piece? And did you just leave it open or plug it somehow? Anyways if you don't think that's what it is, then all good. You're the one who asked. Your post reads that you removed the "air intake area" which is confusing since it sounds like your trying to start your car with no intake. You said your car was stock so if you removed the OEM intake and have nothing there that might be the problem lol.

02-15-2016, 02:45 AM	#6
driftking96 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: 2014 Scion FR-S, 1998 Honda Accord Location: Canada Posts: 89 Thanks: 154 Thanked 12 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm bout to drive. I will fully reply and post pics as soon as I can. FYI I got into a front end crash so yea. Tryna fix and figure some things out myself. Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk

02-15-2016, 06:39 AM	#8
slowest86 Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Drives: slow frs Location: South Carolina Posts: 31 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Could have sucked in broken pieces of the air box.

02-15-2016, 01:39 PM	#9
_gt86_user Inactive Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: . Location: . Posts: 289 Thanks: 40 Thanked 84 Times in 65 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Wow, could have just said you were in a front end collision in your OP.

02-15-2016, 04:38 PM	#12
Panamaniac Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Panama Posts: 28 Thanks: 6 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I am rebuilding a salvage title FRS, and had this same issue last week. My issue was grounding.... My injector driver module (EDU) stand was broken and it was just sitting next to the baterry, I added a ground cable to it and the car started with no problem.

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