P&L Header Dyno and Fitment test-With my Vortech Test Kit

[P&L Motorsports]

Got this from a FT86 FB Group Gem is on. Thought I would share... This is showing the clearance with our Overpipe.



...and this is ours compared to Perrin's.


-Dylan@P&L

[EarlQHan]

Gem,

Apparently since you can read this, this is for you. This is going to be my one post in your thread. I just found this and I've had some time to calm down a bit, hopefully you have too. I'm sorry that you ended up being banned, I did not ask for you to be banned nor did I know that you would be banned as a result of the actions that took place.

I believe I have an idea of why you were dogging me so hard but it's only my assumption and that's something that should only be discussed between me and you. I understand you're trying to help yourself and others in the community but I feel the way you did it could have been better. I have been honest with the community as much as I can be, but for whatever reason, you were not satisfied. Sorry I couldn't do better.

I hope you continue to develop your car, find a setup that's right for you, and above all else, stay safe and enjoy it.

Earl

[2forme]

Originally Posted by industrial

This forum sorta sucks. Lots of good people but I'm not sure I like the way it's moderated. Vivid racing can keep right on posting but Gem gets banned. Sure he's outspoken and rude sometimes but he's not scamming us with fake dynos and POS parts. It's not like he was being racist or threatening to kill people or just blatantly trolling. There were lots of people trolling vendor threads in the past, I still see those guys around. WTF mods?

You and I need to have that drink soon. LOL.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by EarlQHan

Gem,

Apparently since you can read this, this is for you. This is going to be my one post in your thread. I just found this and I've had some time to calm down a bit, hopefully you have too. I'm sorry that you ended up being banned, I did not ask for you to be banned nor did I know that you would be banned as a result of the actions that took place.

I believe I have an idea of why you were dogging me so hard but it's only my assumption and that's something that should only be discussed between me and you. I understand you're trying to help yourself and others in the community but I feel the way you did it could have been better. I have been honest with the community as much as I can be, but for whatever reason, you were not satisfied. Sorry I couldn't do better.

I hope you continue to develop your car, find a setup that's right for you, and above all else, stay safe and enjoy it.

Earl

This forum really needs to adopt a points infraction system like every other major car forum does. One that works for both members and vendors. It will serve as a warning system, and also track repeat offenders until they eventually lose their right to the forum.

This whole one and done thing, or banning/suspensions without warnings can be a problem that will sour people to the forum and eventually they will find new places to go to.

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

This whole one and done thing, or banning/suspensions without warnings can be a problem that will sour people to the forum and eventually they will find new places to go to.

Oh GOD! Please don't let it be Facebook! I HATE Facebook!

Scott

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by EarlQHan

Gem,

Apparently since you can read this, this is for you. This is going to be my one post in your thread. I just found this and I've had some time to calm down a bit, hopefully you have too. I'm sorry that you ended up being banned, I did not ask for you to be banned nor did I know that you would be banned as a result of the actions that took place.

I believe I have an idea of why you were dogging me so hard but it's only my assumption and that's something that should only be discussed between me and you. I understand you're trying to help yourself and others in the community but I feel the way you did it could have been better. I have been honest with the community as much as I can be, but for whatever reason, you were not satisfied. Sorry I couldn't do better.

I hope you continue to develop your car, find a setup that's right for you, and above all else, stay safe and enjoy it.

Earl

Since your a paying vendor and bringing money into the forum for them to run day to day... What did you think they were gonna do? If I was running a company, and I had one of my paying customer complain about some guy that wasn't actively giving me money... I'd deal with it in a very decisive way too.

The risk was to great to not ban him. I'm not saying he should have or the outcome doesn't suck, but life is life.

[2forme]

Yea, and how will points be assigned? They kinda do that now. If you're offensive or rude, or just really, really assholish.... you get assigned points and a warning.

The problem here isn't with that system. Gem, while he did have valuable things to contribute, had a problem communicating that. He would get riled up when anyone disagreed or challenged him, and then threw tact out the window. So you have someone who's a paying member of the site, and another who's becoming very aggressive and sometimes rude.... it wasn't a difficult decision for Hachi to make.

However, we know Gem. We know his 10 page diatribes will no doubt be offensive to someone, but, over time we've learned to read his language. We know his bias and can look past that.... But, that's very few of us.

Then you'd have to figure out who's a troll and who isn't. If you're of the type who believes anyone with an opposing view is a troll, then this probably isn't the forum for you... or many forums for that matter.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Yea, and how will points be assigned? They kinda do that now. If you're offensive or rude, or just really, really assholish.... you get assigned points and a warning.

The problem here isn't with that system. Gem, while he did have valuable things to contribute, had a problem communicating that. He would get riled up when anyone disagreed or challenged him, and then threw tact out the window. So you have someone who's a paying member of the site, and another who's becoming very aggressive and sometimes rude.... it wasn't a difficult decision for Hachi to make.

However, we know Gem. We know his 10 page diatribes will no doubt be offensive to someone, but, over time we've learned to read his language. We know his bias and can look past that.... But, that's very few of us.

Then you'd have to figure out who's a troll and who isn't. If you're of the type who believes anyone with an opposing view is a troll, then this probably isn't the forum for you... or many forums for that matter.

afaik Gem wasn't issued a warning, but I also don't know everything that was told to him. It's true. We've learned to filter what Gem says. While he wasn't intentionally being hostile and combative, he did get flustered and as you say, at times tactless.

I had a problem with him in the very beginning, but accepted him as time went on. He did have a lot of good points, and always shared his information. You did need to put it through your "Gem" filter, but there were a lot of good bits in there.

[TRD_07]

Anyone happen to have an update about the header + SC system? Lets get back on track people.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by TRD_07

Anyone happen to have an update about the header + SC system? Lets get back on track people.

He's got a dyno scheduled this week. He's been busy tracking, and playing around with a few things.

[P&L Motorsports]

Here I come to reply and Hawaiian has already taken care of it. I owe you a coke sir.

-Dylan@P&L

[bakilman]

So in not so many words, yes, it fits??? I'm leaning toward this or the FA-20 header...

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by bakilman

So in not so many words, yes, it fits??? I'm leaning toward this or the FA-20 header...

Yes, it fits. Just waitng on the dyno for gains.

[P&L Motorsports]

Note that we have a Group Buy and a 5% off sale going on.

-Dylan@P&L

Update: Dyno day is apparently scheduled for tomorrow.