Why do people do wild swaps(RB, LS1), when u can just buy a Porsche, Ferrari, etc?

[glamcem]

also one little thing to add, the last time I checked a v8 swap from Flyin Miata cost about $42k since you cannot simply change the engine and Ecu

Here is a complete list of the parts that need to be changed for those who are interested :


http://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/turnkey.php

[fooddude]

Originally Posted by Malt

A fully dressed LS3 weighs 418 lbs. I don't know the exact weight of a FA20 but it cant be significantly less than that. Adding at most 30-40 lbs (and I'm being VERY generous here) to the front of the car isn't going to make it handle like a truck.

EDIT: Also, I'd say that 430hp/430lbft is WELL worth the tiny bit of added weight while staying NA and have an essentially bullet proof engine.

Well...I stand corrected. It may well be light. Idk how much the FA engine weighs. But if it's similar, then your points are good and I agree.. having that much NA power would def be awesome.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by glamcem

also one little thing to add, the last time I checked a v8 swap from Flyin Miata cost about $42k since you cannot simply change the engine and Ecu

Here is a complete list of the parts that need to be changed for those who are interested :


http://www.flyinmiata.com/V8/turnkey.php

Keep in mind that they're not using used parts at all, there's a lot of fluff added to that, and you're paying all the labor.

It's a hell of a lot cheaper than that to do the swap in reality, they just overbuild it because their name is on it.




Now to answer the original question in the thread, because it's STILL CHEAPER than buying a Ferrari or high end Porsche, etc. Not to mention making those people cry when they can't keep up.

[Jyn]

Found this on the FRS Enthusiast FB page today. Dunno if it's been posted here but I think it's relevant:

For those of you that say that the V-8 swap ruins the FRS, here is my final corner balance: LS2 fully built, T 56 transmission, full interior, 17 X9 .5 wheels, 275 drag radials, and Optima battery in the passenger rear of the trunk. I'm pretty sure when my car was turbo it was almost this heavy. — at Pure Automotive Performance.

[fooddude]

56:44 F:R weight ratio... not bad and pretty impressive actually

Looks like a super tight fit...modified firewall too?

Is the LSx motor actually lighter than a 2JZ or RB engine or 3-4 rotary engine?

[Turdinator]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Why have plain sex with a model when you can hire a cheap prostitute, dress up in a bear suit, and bring in some chains? Different strokes.

Had to quote this in my sig. Gold sir, pure gold.

[Deep Six]

How does anyone explain the "need" to modify (improve) cars from the way they left the factory? Fact is modding/tuning/hopping up/ricing (choose term based on your point of view) is a huge part of the automobile culture and has been for decades. Whether you like it or not this forum would not exist without the advertising funds generated by companies that service the modding industry.

All that said, a motor swap seems to be highly impracticle compared to tune/bolt-on and FI choices that are proven reliable on the stock motor. But I do get the novelty aspect and hats off to those who pave the trail.

[Malt]

Originally Posted by Jyn

Numbers copied over from photo of LS2, T56 trans, full interior, 17*9.5 wheels, 275 drag radials, and optima battery in the passenger rear of trunk FRS.

LF: 827 RF: 815
LR:630 RR: 647

2919lbs total

When I had my BRZ corner balanced here were the final figures.

LF: 773 RF: 759
LR: 607 RR: 603

2742lbs total.


Granted I've done some small weight reduction mods, I was on stock wheels and tires. There's a slight difference in weights between premium and limited models as well (I have a premium). 177lbs difference with an LS2 and 9.5 wide wheels and drag radials is actually quite amazing.

[Mooseknuckle44]

Originally Posted by Malt

A fully dressed LS3 weighs 418 lbs. I don't know the exact weight of a FA20 but it cant be significantly less than that. Adding at most 30-40 lbs (and I'm being VERY generous here) to the front of the car isn't going to make it handle like a truck.

EDIT: Also, I'd say that 430hp/430lbft is WELL worth the tiny bit of added weight while staying NA and have an essentially bullet proof engine.

430hp/430tq.......MUSTANG MURDERER!!!.
God I'd love to be at the drag strip for that shelacking. Just to see all the fanboys faces.....

[fooddude]

Originally Posted by Mooseknuckle44

430hp/430tq.......MUSTANG MURDERER!!!.
God I'd love to be at the drag strip for that shelacking. Just to see all the fanboys faces.....

Ya....in a tiny lightweight little car no less, lol. Mustang V8 weighs 3500-3800..almost 1k lb difference! wow.

Idk if I'd be down to put a domestic engine in the twin tho... I think I'd rather put a 2JZ or Rotary engine in it lol. But, don't get me wrong....NA is always best...especially 430 NA hp

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Turdinator

Had to quote this in my sig. Gold sir, pure gold.

A guy named Turdinator is a fan. Yay...

[J_kennington]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Ya....in a tiny lightweight little car no less, lol. Mustang V8 weighs 3500-3800..almost 1k lb difference! wow.

Idk if I'd be down to put a domestic engine in the twin tho... I think I'd rather put a 2JZ or Rotary engine in it lol. But, don't get me wrong....NA is always best...especially 430 NA hp

So...now your OK with engine swaps? I'm confused...

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Well...I stand corrected. It may well be light. Idk how much the FA engine weighs. But if it's similar, then your points are good and I agree.. having that much NA power would def be awesome.

FA20 weighs exactly 480lbs engine and transmission that's a lot of weight/complexity/moving parts for a measly 200bhp in a modern day engine.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by fooddude

56:44 F:R weight ratio... not bad and pretty impressive actually

Looks like a super tight fit...modified firewall too?

Is the LSx motor actually lighter than a 2JZ or RB engine or 3-4 rotary engine?

LS motor is lighter than a 2JZ-GTE with everything else needed to run it (turbos, intercooler, etc)


Lots of cast iron there...