ENEOS/ENEOS Sustina 0W-20 used oil analysis: was:ENEOS 0W-20 versus factory synthetic

[RFB]

Originally Posted by 2016 Camaro SS

I really like ENEOS Sustina. About to do my second change in 2k more miles at 8k. 26.6k miles total on the odometer.

Amen bro -
Try once never go back - (ask our Nippon brothers).

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Will upload file to Imgur when I get home.

• 6 months, 5700 miles
• 4x track events, 1x drift event, 3x autocross
• Engine not consuming excessive oil
• ENEOS Sustina 0W-20

-alex

Slight thinning due to shear/fuel dilution.
Flashpoint comfortably above threshhold.
No oxidative thickening!! (This is the key point)

The great Sustina is hanging tough. Low zinc. Signature higher phosphorus albeit still SN. Assist to boron & moly. Highly refined group 3 base stock.

Sustina is da kine. I'll say it again and again.

1. Sustina 0W20.
2. Pennzoil Platinum w/PurePlus 0W20.
3. Mobil 1 Yellow Cap 0W20.
4. All other motor oils.

(personal favorites)

Really appreciate your work mav !!!!!!

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

Highly refined group 3 base stock.

Based on what?

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

Based on what?

Hi bluesubie!
Not sure I am following you as to what is in dispute.
It is generally accepted that Sustina falls under the Group III category.
Certainly it is not merely dino (Group II), PAO (Group IV) or ester based (Group V).


Sustina spokespeople and the Eneos website have explained that there is only one way they can achieve such a high viscosity index and also an SN rating. They must extensively refine the base oil to obtain efficient, uniform molecule size and shape. Then they must use a judicious amount of special viscosity index improvers.

But you already knew all this. ??

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

Hi bluesubie!
Not sure I am following you as to what is in dispute.
It is generally accepted that Sustina falls under the Group III category.
Certainly it is not merely dino (Group II), PAO (Group IV) or ester based (Group V).


Sustina spokespeople and the Eneos website have explained that there is only one way they can achieve such a high viscosity index and also an SN rating. They must extensively refine the base oil to obtain efficient, uniform molecule size and shape. Then they must use a judicious amount of special viscosity index improvers.

But you already knew all this. ??

According to an ENEOS spokesperson (or maybe a distributor?) that was posting on bitog a few years ago, some of the older ENEOS oils were Group III but all of the regular ENEOS oils are now Group IV and V and I'm pretty sure the Sustina oils are as well.

From a marketing standpoint, they called the 5W30 "Synthetic" when it was predominately Group III and relabeled it as "Fully Synthetic" when they reformulated it to Group IV/V.

[RFB]

Our group has been using Sustina 0-50 for the track, and street, for several years INSTEAD of 0-20, because of the high temps in our boxer motors when pushed.


We use the thinner 0-20 in winter.

[FRS Johnny]

So would You recommend a 5w-30 sustina for southern california? What conditions would a 5w-30 be suitable for?

[RFB]

Originally Posted by FRS Johnny

So would You recommend a 5w-30 sustina for southern california? What conditions would a 5w-30 be suitable for?

ENEOS SUSTINA 0-50 ALWAYS , except winter, 0-20.
Our motors run hot.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by FRS Johnny

So would You recommend a 5w-30 sustina for southern california? What conditions would a 5w-30 be suitable for?

Do you think you drive your car more aggressive than me? Do you need a heavier weight oil?

Any range that meets the factory requirements will be fine. Heavier weight is just a hit on gas mileage.

Originally Posted by RFB

ENEOS SUSTINA 0-50 ALWAYS , except winter, 0-20.
Our motors run hot.

So... ignore everything that I've posted in this thread. Got it.

-alex

[RFB]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Do you think you drive your car more aggressive than me? Do you need a heavier weight oil?

Any range that meets the factory requirements will be fine. Heavier weight is just a hit on gas mileage.



So... ignore everything that I've posted in this thread. Got it.

-alex

Sorry, don't know about your driving habits, but if you have a twin I'm sure you drive aggressively at some point.

We track regularly, and follow our Nippon brothers example re. Eneos.
Gas mileage is not a concern on the track, but I noticed no gas mileage difference when I learned about the 50 w. and started using it

Your report is overdue on this forum since your report will show some of the benefits of Sustina over oil without Eneos additives and others can benefit.

Although more expensive, we found the heavier Sustina 50 is the oil for our twins in summer.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by RFB

Sorry, don't know about your driving habits, but if you have a twin I'm sure you drive aggressively at some point.

We track regularly, and follow our Nippon brothers example re. Eneos.
Gas mileage is not a concern on the track, but I noticed no gas mileage difference when I learned about the 50 w. and started using it

Your report is overdue on this forum since your report will show some of the benefits of Sustina over oil without Eneos additives and others can benefit.

Although more expensive, we found the heavier Sustina 50 is the oil for our twins in summer.

I really suggest you go back and read this entire thread to see what I've done with my car.

As for my comment about you ignoring what I've posted... again: what is it about thicker oil that is better than thinner oil? Oil weight should be dictated by temperature needs (ambient) or pressure needs (PSI under track conditions).

To suggest 0W-50 just because "the FA20 runs hot" doesn't tell me anything about why you need 0W-50 in the first place.

-alex

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

According to an ENEOS spokesperson (or maybe a distributor?) that was posting on bitog a few years ago, some of the older ENEOS oils were Group III but all of the regular ENEOS oils are now Group IV and V and I'm pretty sure the Sustina oils are as well.

From a marketing standpoint, they called the 5W30 "Synthetic" when it was predominately Group III and relabeled it as "Fully Synthetic" when they reformulated it to Group IV/V.

Eneos Fully Synthetic and Sustina are separate product lines. Sustina uses W Base as its base oil. Ultra high viscosity index is obtainable only by high refining and rerefining. The result are oil molecules that are pure and uniform, just like PAO and esters, but with a longer, more efficient shape.

I am especially interested in the behavior of Group III, GTL, PAO, and ester oils in GDI engines.

Maybe bluesubie can ask Tom in NJ or MolaKule to elaborate.

I've never received much feedback from Eneos North America.

Hell, I should be their poster boy for durability.

And mav for such stellar robustness.

All in the super lightest of motor oils.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by mav1178

To suggest 0W-50 just because "the FA20 runs hot" doesn't tell me anything about why you need 0W-50 in the first place.

-alex

I think you answered your own question already -

" what is it about thicker oil that is better than thinner oil? Oil weight should be dictated by temperature needs (ambient) or pressure needs (PSI under track conditions)."

[wbradley]

Sorry if Im jumping in at the wrong time, but the literature with the HKS GT supercharger recommends a minimum of 0W42 HKS oil. So, I use PAO based M1 0W40