Which SC kit is easiest to install?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DocWalt

This is amazingly depressing. I want that twin screw whine

Don't get me wrong, the Innovate is great for quick bursts of power, and it can sustain more power longer than the Phantom, but it's not suitable for hard canyon drives, or tracking.

Compare the size of the intercoolers, heat exchangers, and supercharger units between the Innovate/Sprintex, and the Edelbrock/Harrop, and it's very clear why.

[superleggera]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The Jackson is a little bit less "technical", but has more steps than the Edelbrock.

Ease of installation and reliability is a virtual wash between the two. Even the output is similar, with the edge going to one kit or the other, depending on where you want your power advantage to be.

Really? Seems like reading the instructions on both kits, the JR has fewer steps and generally seems less involved, but not having installed either I can't really comment other than that seems surprising.

[DocWalt]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Don't get me wrong, the Innovate is great for quick bursts of power, and it can sustain more power longer than the Phantom, but it's not suitable for hard canyon drives, or tracking.

Compare the size of the intercoolers, heat exchangers, and supercharger units between the Innovate/Sprintex, and the Edelbrock/Harrop, and it's very clear why.

My plans include a lot of track time, so I guess it's Edelbrock for me if I ever go FI. Still some noise at least.

[ajc209]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Don't get me wrong, the Innovate is great for quick bursts of power, and it can sustain more power longer than the Phantom, but it's not suitable for hard canyon drives, or tracking.

Compare the size of the intercoolers, heat exchangers, and supercharger units between the Innovate/Sprintex, and the Edelbrock/Harrop, and it's very clear why.

Don't forget the Cosworth which has the biggest heat exchangers of all, coupled with a 4 pass radiator.

Problem with the sprintex is that its running at the ragged edge. With the 70mm pulley it hits max rpm at 7500revs. So its not spinning in it most efficenct range at all.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You haven't actually tried this, I have...

A *stock* powered car was pulling on the innovate car up top, and we weren't even over 130 yet. Even worse, the stock powered car was on ACN 91, while the Innovate powered car was on E85.

I don't ever say things I can't back up; I'm not bench racing here. Dynos only show what the car can make in one pull. Real world power delivery is not the same.

Ok I'll give you that I haven't raced both - but if you're talking about a properly tuned intercooled sprintex car on E85, those reach right up to 300rwhp with a nice fat torque curve. Even if it loses 50rwhp to heat soak after several runs, how could a stock car with just headers on 91 keep up? Due respect, but I don't buy it at all. Maybe they had a giant pulley on there?


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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ajc209

Don't forget the Cosworth which has the biggest heat exchangers of all, coupled with a 4 pass radiator.

Problem with the sprintex is that its running at the ragged edge. With the 70mm pulley it hits max rpm at 7500revs. So its not spinning in it most efficenct range at all.

Edelbrock has a much larger heat exchanger than the Cosworth. A 4 pass heat exchanger doesn't have a significant benefit over a 2 pass heat exchanger.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Ok I'll give you that I haven't raced both - but if you're talking about a properly tuned intercooled sprintex car on E85, those reach right up to 300rwhp with a nice fat torque curve. Even if it loses 50rwhp to heat soak after several runs, how could a stock car with just headers on 91 keep up? Due respect, but I don't buy it at all. Maybe they had a giant pulley on there?


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It loses more like half the output to heat soak.

[xwd]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You haven't actually tried this, I have...

A *stock* powered car was pulling on the innovate car up top, and we weren't even over 130 yet. Even worse, the stock powered car was on ACN 91, while the Innovate powered car was on E85.

I don't ever say things I can't back up; I'm not bench racing here. Dynos only show what the car can make in one pull. Real world power delivery is not the same.

I've driven well tuned NA cars making 190whp and an Innovate making 280whp on E85, for long enough for them to heat soak... I want whatever you are smoking.

[ajc209]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Edelbrock has a much larger heat exchanger than the Cosworth. A 4 pass heat exchanger doesn't have a significant benefit over a 2 pass heat exchanger.

You are definitly are smoking something today.

[bfrank1972]

lol guys let's not completely derail this topic