Why I think Toyota has advantage so far vs Subaru

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by eriktherod

I agree, and I am really curious to see the owners of these cars on the road once they start getting more popular (or well.. sold).

Last night I saw another FR-S for the first time on the road, and it was a Whiteout with a (seemingly cute) young girl driving it. Unfortunately, I was in my friend's Kia and couldn't give her a friendly FR-S thumbs up, but it was cool all the same.

i feel like the fr-s is appealing to more women than we think, i've been at dealerships and parents are buying this car for their daughters, women have been test driving it etc, even old women. pretty cool actually, i never knew women were into owning these cars. must be the beautiful design.

[#87]

Originally Posted by SuperDave

i feel like the fr-s is appealing to more women than we think, i've been at dealerships and parents are buying this car for their daughters, women have been test driving it etc, even old women. pretty cool actually, i never knew women were into owning these cars. must be the beautiful design.

It's pretty, small, fuel efficient, easy on the wallet of a middle aged/middle class, and comes in auto or manual. I can see why it appeals to women.

[wheelhaus]

I also think the OP has the wrong idea, it's not a competition.

Subaru isn't pushing or advertising the BRZ because it's not their core market, just like the STi. There's no US commercials for the STi. There's no US commercials for the BRZ. Its a fringe performance market for them, but it still defines who Subaru is from their rally heritage. Their mainstream sellers are the Impreza, Outback, and Forester, aimed at the family oriented, more mature buyers. Their lineup is highly focused.

Toyota's market is very broad. It covers nearly everything from the high-schooler's first car, hyper efficient sub compacts, family cars, and luxury cars (via Lexus), but nothing high performance outside of a couple Lexus models (and the exotic LFA). The Scion brand has been very aggressively marketed, particularly to the younger crowd. So, they decided this is where the FR-S should be targeted within the US, and as a result we're seeing FR-S commercials and ads left and right.

Company size and production numbers aside, its clear each company is marketing their twin with entirely different strategies. I knew it wouldn't be too long before the Toyota fanboyism would be exposed. Joint effort is a joint effort, both participants are winners because the car is selling better than expectations.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

This car would probably still exist if Subaru didn't help, it wouldn't exist if Toyota never wanted to start the project in the first place.

Toyota put the project in the file cabinet when Subaru said no in 2007. They then agreed in 2009 which is when we first saw the first concept in October. Thus this website being born, etc...

Originally Posted by chulooz

trollin or uninformed? They wouldnt reproduce the boxer layout... and they still havent built a production sports car since the mrs/supra.

Or have kept it with an awesome low CoG. I think if they would have done it alone, it would be an 180hp alright car, rather than an awesome 200hp with this awesome handling.

[Spaceywilly]

Subaru makes money on every FR-S sold. This was truly a partnership between the companies and benefits both of them, so there's no use in having this argument. Good day sir!

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by chulooz

trollin or uninformed? They wouldnt reproduce the boxer layout... and they still havent built a production sports car since the mrs/supra.

They wouldn't reproduce it because they already owned 15% of a company that makes boxer engines. It would be stupid to spend all that R&D on it when you don't have to.

This doesn't change the fact the car was Toyotas idea, not Subarus.

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Toyota put the project in the file cabinet when Subaru said no in 2007. They then agreed in 2009 which is when we first saw the first concept in October. Thus this website being born, etc...



Or have kept it with an awesome low CoG. I think if they would have done it alone, it would be an 180hp alright car, rather than an awesome 200hp with this awesome handling.

Still doesn't change the fact the car was Toyotas idea, not Subarus.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

They wouldn't reproduce it because they already owned 15% of a company that makes boxer engines. It would be stupid to spend all that R&D on it when you don't have to.

This doesn't change the fact the car was Toyotas idea, not Subarus.




Still doesn't change the fact the car was Toyotas idea, not Subarus.

Okay that's great, Toyota had an awesome idea. How many ideas have existed and have been kept in the file cabinet or thrown out due to "not the right time", "not enough of a market" or "insufficient funds"? Those concepts that never happened, etc. Example: I have an idea of a 300hp N/A 4 cyl. Possible? maybe.. Fundable? Maybe by Bugatti.

Subaru made Toyota's idea a reality.

Subaru could have done it on its own, but they didn't want to, but in no way would they have gotten 200hp N/A on their own

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Okay that's great, Toyota had an awesome idea. How many ideas have existed and have been kept in the file cabinet or thrown out due to "not the right time", "not enough of a market" or "insufficient funds"? Those concepts that never happened, etc. Example: I have an idea of a 300hp N/A 4 cyl. Possible? maybe.. Fundable? Maybe by Bugatti.

Subaru made Toyota's idea a reality.

Subaru could have done it on its own, but they didn't want to, but in no way would they have gotten 200hp N/A on their own

imagination is more important than knowledge - einstein. and yes i agree with him.

[Allch Chcar]

Troll thread. There is no Toyota vs Subaru about it. They're just different trim levels, badging, and bumpers. The Subaru having the higher trim level and the FRS the middle trim level. Whichever is best depends on your wants/needs.

[GNS]

And this is why this post is in the FR-S forum.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by SuperDave

imagination is more important than knowledge - einstein. and yes i agree with him.

I also agree with Einstein in these quotes:

“The only source of knowledge is experience.” (all what Subaru had on flat engines and suspensions)

“Information is not knowledge.”

“Learning is experience. Everything else is just information.”

“Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible” (300hp N/A 2.5L )

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Troll thread. There is no Toyota vs Subaru about it. They're just different trim levels, badging, and bumpers. The Subaru having the higher trim level and the FRS the middle trim level. Whichever is best depends on your wants/needs.

Completely, and most of these people have very little information on the actual making of the car

*sighs*

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by hotaka

I think the fact that AE86 was a toyota is a huge advantage. Don't you think that people who drove an AE86 for years and years would buy the toyota? would they really care for minor differences between the toyota and subaru?

I was going to get a Toyota 86 until they brand it a SCION. I'm sure I'm not the only one. But that's another story

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Okay that's great, Toyota had an awesome idea. How many ideas have existed and have been kept in the file cabinet or thrown out due to "not the right time", "not enough of a market" or "insufficient funds"? Those concepts that never happened, etc. Example: I have an idea of a 300hp N/A 4 cyl. Possible? maybe.. Fundable? Maybe by Bugatti.

Subaru made Toyota's idea a reality.

Subaru could have done it on its own, but they didn't want to, but in no way would they have gotten 200hp N/A on their own

I probably could've worded my first post better.

I have no problem with the fact it's a Toyota/Subaru (I think they are both great companies). I just have a problem with everyone acting like the car is a Subaru, and Toyota is somehow mooching off of Subaru.