Unofficial - CEL/SL/Idle Issue List for FR-S/BRZ Owners

[Alienate]

Ok, here is my update. I am #84 on this list. 600 total miles FR-S.
Took car into Reno Toy/Scion yesterday with CEL on and SL. Told Service guy "Mark" about the rough idle and handed him the first 4 pages of this thread. He had never heard of this problem. Looked for Service bulletins, found none. I mentioned about latest news being a New ECU or a Flash of it.
They never got the car on the reader, and just drove me home.

Got a call from Mark at 1 pm today.
He said: "Talked to Toyota, they are sending a new ECU. No ETA on it's arrival date. Toyota wants us to not release the car back to you for "safety reasons" I will call you when I get more info."

I said thanks and hung up.

I called back just now to find out what CODES were dropped, but I just got his voice mail.
I will update here as soon as he calls me back.

[@Art_Mighty]

PLEASE READ...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=16673&page=2

Originally Posted by TheZombi

Picked up my BRZ last Wednesday, Drove about 500 klicks and got the CEL and Slip Light on solid. Went back to the dealer and waited about 2 hours for them to come and say they can see the issue and it requires a re-flash of the ECU, they gave it back and told me to keep on driving and they would call me when the equipment shows up.

From all the frightening reports from the states and the stories of the dealers ripping apart new engines and everything else I decided to do a little checking. The reported problem is that the computer is interrogating the camshaft sensors too many times a second (that was from the mechanic) the actual problem seems to be the exhaust cam in my car does not hold it's position when the engine is turned off, as it sits for a few minutes if the engine is stopped in a particular spot the cam turns slightly and the pressure backs off inside the actuator, then when you restart there is a big old air bubble there that needs to clear and it will throw a code until it does. If you reset the code after a few minutes of idling you do not see the problem again until you park it. I think their re-flash is simply going to increase/introduce a timer to ignore camshaft misposition for the first couple minutes of running so the VVT system can bleed out all the air bubbles and settle down. This makes sense to me as the problem only manifests itself after a few hundred KM's of driving and then becomes persistent in most cases, I now wish I had changed my oil at 200KM.

Anyways I will give my findings to the mechanic when I see him next week and see if he gets all pissy at the customer who thinks he knows something.

Originally Posted by TheZombi

Basically the way I see it the reflash is a bandaid or a mask to hide whats going on, but at the same time I don't see this as an actual problem. In the industry I am in many problems like this end up getting fixed with some minor reprogramming like adding timers the machines then run for decades without issue.

The only problem I see is they must make sure that if a camshaft is mispositioning during actual operation the ECU must freak out and give a code and then it needs mechanical repair. If it is in fact just a startup issue until whatever air bleeds in there clears then it should not affect the long term operation of the car but you can bet money I will get into the habit of warming up the car for a couple of minutes before I drive anywhere...

Zombi ROCKS!

[RedRydr]

Originally Posted by RedRydr

I admit, very car dumb when it comes to naming parts of the engine or figuring out the acronyms for them... DUH to me.

UPDATE: Service manager just called me and told me the Toyota Engineer (who makes visits to dealerships monthly) was there today and my car came up in discussion. He told them the fix for my car was replacing the ECU and not the accuator which was on back order. It worries me a little that these service people don't know the correct fix, and he admitted that they do not have direct access to the engineers when problems come up and its harder when its a brand new product. I am feeling pretty lucky now, cuz there was an ECU in Portland and is being shipped overnight and if all goes well I could have my car back tomorrow!!! I am trying not to be excited, but I can't help it!

[Teknian_Culprate13]

Sept 11, 2012
CEL P0019 at 20024Mi
ecu
cam gear or shaft idk
VVIT gear

and dont be feeling all sad about your rental either im dippin in a yaris.
service guy said ordering parts and wont be ready till early october.
i havent even had the car that long and will be making my first 2 car payments without a CAR. Not COOL but it looks like im not alone here, any advice from anyone about what i can do about this situation i dont have much exp. im young and a first time buyer.
thanks

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Teknian_Culprate13

Sept 11, 2012
CEL P0019 at 20024Mi
ecu
cam gear or shaft idk
VVIT gear

and dont be feeling all sad about your rental either im dippin in a yaris.
service guy said ordering parts and wont be ready till early october.
i havent even had the car that long and will be making my first 2 car payments without a CAR. Not COOL but it looks like im not alone here, any advice from anyone about what i can do about this situation i dont have much exp. im young and a first time buyer.
thanks

1) Call Scion Customer Service and get a case started. Car payments are being covered by Scion while you don't have access to your car.

2) Establish a friendly relationship with the service writer and the tech doing the work. Make sure they know how important it is this is done right.

3) Keep us in the loop!

[RedRydr]

Originally Posted by Alienate

Ok, here is my update. I am #84 on this list. 600 total miles FR-S.
Took car into Reno Toy/Scion yesterday with CEL on and SL. Told Service guy "Mark" about the rough idle and handed him the first 4 pages of this thread. He had never heard of this problem. Looked for Service bulletins, found none. I mentioned about latest news being a New ECU or a Flash of it.

Thats crazy, I took my car to Reno Toy/Scion on 8/27/12 with the same problem. Dealt with Louie. He told me I was probabaly the first FR-S to have this problem cuz he hadnt heard of it.

[ftc~brz]

Originally Posted by RedRydr

Thats crazy, I took my car to Reno Toy/Scion on 8/27/12 with the same problem. Dealt with Louie. He told me I was probabaly the first FR-S to have this problem cuz he hadnt heard of it.

we are all going to be the first time they hear of this problem...my sales and service people both said that.
my sales person said they delivered 11 of them already...I have yet to see anything on the road...except a black frs the day before I got mine

[Teknian_Culprate13]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

1) Call Scion Customer Service and get a case started. Car payments are being covered by Scion while you don't have access to your car.

2) Establish a friendly relationship with the service writer and the tech doing the work. Make sure they know how important it is this is done right.

3) Keep us in the loop!

scion service writer and tech are at the dealership with the car right?

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Teknian_Culprate13

scion service writer and tech are at the dealership with the car right?

Yup. Specifically ask to speak to the tech performing the work on your car. Remember his/her name and when you check in, check in with him/her too...

[Alienate]

Originally Posted by Alienate

Ok, here is my update. I am #84 on this list. 600 total miles FR-S.
Took car into Reno Toy/Scion yesterday with CEL on and SL. Told Service guy "Mark" about the rough idle and handed him the first 4 pages of this thread. He had never heard of this problem. Looked for Service bulletins, found none. I mentioned about latest news being a New ECU or a Flash of it.
They never got the car on the reader, and just drove me home.

Got a call from Mark at 1 pm today.
He said: "Talked to Toyota, they are sending a new ECU. No ETA on it's arrival date. Toyota wants us to not release the car back to you for "safety reasons" I will call you when I get more info."

I said thanks and hung up.

I called back just now to find out what CODES were dropped, but I just got his voice mail.
I will update here as soon as he calls me back.

I got the call back from Mark: Only code noted by Mechanic P0019
ECU to be shipped from Cincinnati, ETA 4 to 5 days.

Hope this does the trick.

[Sargy]

Server writer called me, confirmed that they are going with the ECU replacement instead of tearing up a beautiful motor. wont get the codes until tommorow morning as the tech left for the day.

Managed to get a part number of it, coming from california and wont get it until next week.


TOY-SU003-04522

Service writer did also mention to me that the codes were camshaft timming related so I will get those codes tommorow.

[rapidcars]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

PLEASE READ...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=16673&page=2





Zombi ROCKS!

I wish I saw that before they ripped apart my engine today It's amazing how misinformed the dealers all are. Good to know they seem to be close to a resolution at least.

[Sargy]

Originally Posted by SubieNate

Got mine back today. Everything seems great so far. *Knock on wood*

Parts:
SU003-00285 SPKT AY-CMS, EXH RH
SU003-00096 VALVE AY-OIL CONT
00295-00103 FIPG OIL PAN
SU003-04522 UNIT-EGI CONTROL
AR2 BRAKE CLNR
00272-GTBC1-01 SUPER LONG LIFE COOLANT BLUE

101 REMOVED TIMING COVER AND VVTI GEAR AND SENSOR WITH ECU PER TAS. AFTER INSTALLING GEAR AND SENSOR ROAD TESTED. OPERATING AS DESIGNED AT THIS TIME.

Initial Diagnostic:
101 CHECK ENG LIGHT 140021 7.00 CHECK CODES FOUND P0017 OPEN CASE WITH TAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO TAS 3 DAYS ON AND OFF HOLD TIME WROTE ON RO TAS REC BANK1 OCV SENSOR VVTI GEAR ECM ORING S TEAR SEALER TEAR DOWN AND INSTALL NEW PARTS ROAD TEST AND INSTALL ECU REROADTEST FOUDN NO COAD CLEAN ENG AND SHIP GET PART STAMP TECH 108

The service advisor went over everything with me, just the ECU is $2100. :eek:. There's about $3500 in parts for this plus a good amount of labor as well.

Nathan

Also noticed the same part number used here. I wonder if the other stuff is necessary anymore since im only getting the ecu changed.

[OmarGC]

Ecu WIN.