Future of FRS/BRZ

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

IMuch like this:
...
Turned into this:

If I were to speculate on what will happen long-term, this is what I would expect as well. At some point, the 86 will either die in its current configuration, or it will be a new version in name only, perhaps retaining some of its "core values" of front engine - rear wheel drive two door coupe.

if you want to see what will happen look at the MR2s history. Gen II is nothing like Gen I except the nameplate and mid-engine. Don't even get me started on the Gen III (MRS).

As much as I love the 86, it is very unlikely I would buy a second one. I'm not very brand or model loyal, and I only buy new cars about once every decade or so (with some used ones thrown in between). Basically for me to purchase a second, it would have to be a very compelling reason, and it would have to be 8 years from now. Just don't see those two things converging.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dnieves

For intelligent answers Tcoat is your guy.

SHHHHH don't ruin my rep.

[MisterSheep]

Ugh. Hasnt subaru already come out saying they will not make a turbocharged version of the BRZ because it would hurt their WRX/STI sales.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

Ugh. Hasnt subaru already come out saying they will not make a turbocharged version of the BRZ because it would hurt their WRX/STI sales.

But I want more power so that I can look like less of a fuckboy when I'm bench racing on the internet.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

Ugh. Hasnt subaru already come out saying they will not make a turbocharged version of the BRZ because it would hurt their WRX/STI sales.

Should I dig up that STI concept "I want to believe" picture again?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

Ugh. Hasnt subaru already come out saying they will not make a turbocharged version of the BRZ because it would hurt their WRX/STI sales.

Not officially, no. There isn't a company that would make such a statement publicly because they want people to forget that they are there to make a profit and the business strategies are kept low key.
They have however officially given many other indications that this is the case. Just compare the level of marketing committed towards the WRX compared to the BRZ as an example. Even the web sites sort of scream "look at this WRX" and "oh by the way we have this BRZ thing as well".

[Atticus808]

Isn't there a 300hp turbo coming next year?

[Elkton86er]

Anybody look recently at the good car / bad car sales numbers for FRS/BRZ in North America? From watching TV and media coverage I would have expected the MX-5 sales to be huge and dwarf the twins - but for 2015 year end if you add FRS+BRZ US sales the number is almost double the MX-5 number (15,803 vs. 8,591). This is the moldy, old twin model vs the brand-new shiny MX-5 (which almost doubled its sales vs 2014). Prior to the new MX-5 model, the twins were selling at more than 3 twins to 1 Miata.

From a manufacturing standpoint, if the Miata is a success the twins are a huge success - even with reduced sales numbers.

[MisterSheep]

This whole thread is just too much for me...

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Braces

It's possible that Toyota is strategically keeping the 86 at its current power levels to not interfere with the launch of the new Supra. Toyota would love to see the 86 fan base graduate to the next Supra level.

I don't want a fat supra, I like my supercharged go kart

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I hope you didn't think I was being optimistic.
Will the car carry on for a while? Yes I think it will but I envision a much different vehicle down the road.
Much like this:



Turned into this:

For a sec there I thought you were going to post something like this as a second picture:

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

I don't want a fat supra, I like my supercharged go kart

But dude it is a Supra! Made famous by movie, video game and anime alike. I bet 98% of the guys looking for a new one to come out have never even sat in the old version much less drove it.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

If I were to speculate on what will happen long-term, this is what I would expect as well. At some point, the 86 will either die in its current configuration, or it will be a new version in name only, perhaps retaining some of its "core values" of front engine - rear wheel drive two door coupe.

if you want to see what will happen look at the MR2s history. Gen II is nothing like Gen I except the nameplate and mid-engine. Don't even get me started on the Gen III (MRS).

As much as I love the 86, it is very unlikely I would buy a second one. I'm not very brand or model loyal, and I only buy new cars about once every decade or so (with some used ones thrown in between). Basically for me to purchase a second, it would have to be a very compelling reason, and it would have to be 8 years from now. Just don't see those two things converging.

Gen 2 MR2 was still a great fucking car though and still captured the essence and fun of the original mr2, the mrs though(first time I saw one I just went WHYYYYYY oh god WHYYYY)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

For a sec there I thought you were going to post something like this as a second picture:

Well that would be the 2014 version yes.
Or this I guess: