Um guys? Scion's Own FT86 Coming to New York Show Next month?

[Exage]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

It does hold it's ground. The SI for example, won't pass a tC until after the 1/8th mile. No comparison on road courses that I'm aware of.

Doubt though the engine would have made that much of a difference as most hate the marketing strategy of Scion more than the cars themselves, as most aren't even aware of how it performs.

I'm not saying the tC is a bad or incapable performing car, I just wish it was that tiny bit better!

Well, you should have seen my friends when I told them I was buying my Corolla (granted I left out the XRS part). Now keep in mind the later gens of Corolla easily win the most hated car in the enthusiast community contest, so I believe they were a little hesitant to step in. They were amazed with it after a little drive, enough so that they have a large amount of respect for it's capabilities despite the Corolla sheet metal.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Exage

I'm not saying the tC is a bad or incapable performing car, I just wish it was that tiny bit better!

Well, you should have seen my friends when I told them I was buying my Corolla (granted I left out the XRS part). Now keep in mind the later gens of Corolla easily win the most hated car in the enthusiast community contest, so I believe they were a little hesitant to step in. They were amazed with it after a little drive, enough so that they have a large amount of respect for it's capabilities despite the Corolla sheet metal.

I know exactly where you are coming from...

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Put it to the ground? It's AWD buddy.

Which car is AWD?

BTW you have some mis-quotes in that post (I only said the first two things... unless I drunk-posted again.)

[Midship Runabout]

^ rados new tc

[xantonin]

So, I've been rethinking this and some members have brought up good points.

I like having a car that feels rare, or isn't common. If no one else buys the FT-86 because it is a Scion brand, and the car is actually really good, I think I'd go for it. Scion has potential to, if they don't mess it up though... That's what I'm worried about.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Which car is AWD?

BTW you have some mis-quotes in that post (I only said the first two things... unless I drunk-posted again.)

1400hp Scion tC AWD Time Attack running a 2az-FE

1200hp Scion tC FWD 4 time Unlimited class and record holder at about 10 tracks across the US running a 2az-FE also of course. That's the most popular one since it's been around the longest of the two.

The other thing people tend to forget when they make comments about not putting the power down to the ground is that race cars have something called Boost-by-Gear (which is what I'll be doing to mine). Rado's tC has a Scrammble boost button and a BOOYA Button.

Scrammble boost is the brief increase of the boost pressure obviously taking the car up to perhaps 40-60lbs of boost. The BOOYA button though.....that button is setup that when pressed, it will take boost to whatever the atmospheric environment will allow the boost to reach. That can be as high as 80psi (not an exact quote), but it's to give you an idea of what it's for. That car is INSANELY fast for a FWD.

He was two seconds slower in his FWD tC compared to the AMS Evo X when they came to my home track.

AMS Evo X holds the track record here with a 1:01. Rado's FWD tC ran a 1:03.

You are considered fast here when you run a 1:10, so just to give you an idea of the speed bracket these cars run in. 1:10 is cooking around this track....can't imagine a 1:01-1:03.

[Dragonitti]

You can drive it in the new Need For Speed Shift 2 game.


PS....going back to the question of the conversion to RWD vs buying a Gen 2.0t and there being a benefit. The build will cost more than just buying a 2.0t for sure. I can think of a couple of benefits though when comparing the two.

Gen 2.0T is slow on boost as much as a stock tC (in some examples, it's slower). Haven't been impressed with that car in the least bit. Here is a car that's touted as a performance/sports car, yet it's slower than a car that's touted as a sporty economy everyday getter.

A RWD tC probably would still weigh less than a 2.0T. And I feel the motor in the tC is more potent on boost than the 2.0T is even with an upgraded turbo on it. It's very nice looking I'll give it that. I use to want one before the disappointment in performance for what I was thinking it should be, and the announcement of the FT-86 sorta sealed the deal on me ever getting a Gen Coupe.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I have to admit, that anytime I see "F" in the head designation, it always brings up the slave-cam design in my head. Its really the main reason I just shrug at 'em.

Is that this horror?




When I first saw this design I thought WTF, why not just go SOHC?

[NESW20]

yes, that's the one! i might go take pictures of my G head to show its superiority, also to show how spotless the inside of my engine is.

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Originally Posted by Dragonitti

If you were going down that road, I would imagine you wouldn't be doing amateur grass roots drifting at that point. No Scion enthusiast I know, appreciate the Drift cars because they are RWD's, but because they use the same powerplant that comes from the factory.

Basically your telling me it's all about watching rather than participating. Thinking "yea, the engine block from my tc is in that beast" kind of thing. But knowing you can never actually attempt the things they do.

There is none other than preference. Building something vs Buying something. . . Gen 2.0T is slow on boost as much as a stock tC (in some examples, it's slower). Haven't been impressed with that car in the least bit. Here is a car that's touted as a performance/sports car, yet it's slower than a car that's touted as a sporty economy everyday getter.

We cant compare FWD cars to RWD cars. Especially in straight line performance. Im asking . . . TC converted to RWD Vs stock GEN 2.0t, why spend 2x the cost for something to get nearly the same result (minus warantee among other things) BTW. 2.0T shares the engine with the evo x, are you saying that engine is weaker than your Tc too? lol

A RWD tC probably would still weigh less than a 2.0T. And I feel the motor in the tC is more potent on boost than the 2.0T is even with an upgraded turbo on it..

Almost negligible. Tc weights 400lbs less than GEN; with all the modification, it will about even out.

FD Rules . . .

I asked.. why is it the only FWD to RWD conversion in FD? Why don't we see civics drifting, and other FWDs being drivetrain converted to drift? I'm familiar with the rules, I see you mention them all the time. And by the money spent, I mean just to allow the TC to drift your looking at 15-20K. Why not just buy a RWD car such as the genesis, or if you have that cash, say, a Supra? lol

See answers above. It's obvious that you were not aware that the tC meets the rules. I think you had the impression like many, that Scion just tossed some cash FD's way in order to compete. But the car is within the rules of FD, not because they gave them $ to be the only one.

And it's obvious that you completely deflected my questions. Yea, because every car that doesnt meet the rules gets to drift in FD season after season LOL. Oh and, you thought wrong. Now, back to my question. Please answer this time. Hell, I'll even copy and paste for you. "But then why buy it to drift it in the first place? Why doesnt Fredric Aasbo keep the Supra he drove over the new tube chassis scion he's getting built? After all, wouldnt that be cheaper and easier to maintain during the season? Are you honestly going to quote me and tell me that converting a drivetrain and dumping tons of cash into a FWD car designed for cool kids is better than a tried and proven platform?"

I don't get why you would think Scion would be "numb" to having a sports car when they pump money into Motorsports as much as anyone else does currently (besides like F1 or something). So, I highly doubt that your prediction of fuel economy, boxy shape and safeness is accurate. No automotive manufacture is stuck to one train of thought and that's it. The point of a product line is to have something for everyone. In Scions case, I think it's something for every "young" one.

If only it actually worked that way. If it sells, it goes out for production, point blank. And the crowd we're looking at isnt exactly interested in performance.

Last part...no need to address. There are noobs in every forum.

Would it be proper to call it a forum full of noobs then? lol (coming from the absence of care for the FT86)

Thanks for quick reply

btw. I remember playing forza and converting the Tc to RWD, haha . . . it was a fun little car after that.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by NESW20

yes, that's the one! i might go take pictures of my G head to show its superiority, also to show how spotless the inside of my engine is.

Here's one of my 2JZ heads I picked up for flow testing. I finally got a 1JZ head now too and want to investigate (which I doubt) the '1JZ outflows the 2JZ' myth. This should be the best flowing 2JZ as it comes from an IS300, note VVT-i mechanism on the end of the intake cam. And no ridiculous gears attaching them together. (What was Toyota thinking?)

[Kage]

I think I might go check this out in person, been meaning to visit a friend who happens to live 8 minutes from where the show is being held. Maybe they'll have the interior in the scion version

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Here's one of my 2JZ heads I picked up for flow testing. I finally got a 1JZ head now too and want to investigate (which I doubt) the '1JZ outflows the 2JZ' myth. This should be the best flowing 2JZ as it comes from an IS300, note VVT-i mechanism on the end of the intake cam. And no ridiculous gears attaching them together. (What was Toyota thinking?)

It does not.

Anyway, like I was pointing out, modern F head engine do not have that design.

I don't get why you would think Scion would be "numb" to having a sports car when they pump money into Motorsports as much as anyone else does currently (besides like F1 or something). So, I highly doubt that your prediction of fuel economy, boxy shape and safeness is accurate. No automotive manufacture is stuck to one train of thought and that's it. The point of a product line is to have something for everyone. In Scions case, I think it's something for every "young" one.

Drifting never was, is not and will never be a fucking motorsport. Get a rally program or touring car program, then we can talk.

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Drifting never was, is not and will never be a fucking motorsport. Get a rally program or touring car program, then we can talk.

Legen-dary

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