Just witnessed an FR-S in an accident

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by _hollywood

Holy crap.....i wish the best for the passengers in that car....

Originally Posted by lazyluka

Hopefully we find out more about this story from people involved. Luckily the passengers are fine. As a driver I always want to insure my passengers will be safe, so I am glad to see that this was the case here.


A bit off topic, but...

It's funny how most of you are complaining about insurance going up. It seems it's alot different in the states than it is here in NZ, but from my experience here the insurance rates depend on your driving history and your own history alone.

I am actually getting this car for cheap insurance rates. Well, technically they won't be cheaper but they will be a better deal. Here is what I mean:

Previous costs/current quotes in NZD:
-$2K Rustbucket/first car (owned) = ~$1000 a year for full insurance with current discount factored in
-$5K Toyota Trueno BRZ (owned)= ~$1000 a year for full insurance with no claims discount
-$13K Honda Integra Type R (current)= ~$1000 same as above
-$40K Honda S2000 (quote, was thinking this instead of 86) = same as above
-$47K GT86 (New GT86 price here) = same as above
Just for laughs I tried:
-$60K BMW = same as above.

It seems the only difference here is sometimes the insurance company will say no if they don't want to insure you, but from my observations the amount I am paying has always been the same. So I thought, damn, if I have to pay this much for insurance, I may as well get a brand new car.

But yeah, I can see it hard getting insurance here after a few of these have been crashed here.... Shouldn't affect me too much as I would have already had my insurance approved

je! he! he!.keep runnin' into shit, and no body will be able to afford 'em any more! have to sell to japan only! just sayin'

[xwd]

Originally Posted by TheRipler

It is, but if you look back to 2002, you will find that the 2002 WRX was the first Subaru B-pillar to thwart the jaws of life. Special techniques were developed for new Subaru vehicles within 6 months. It involved cutting to either side of the b-pillar, and detaching the roof from that structure. It was the diagrams distributed with the new rescue procedures that actually exposed the roll structure Subaru utilized.

Look at pictures of rolled WRXs, STIs, Forresters, and Legacys. You will see that even with the roof peeled back, the roll hoop is still in place. Many examples, the roof itself will peel back in the accident, but the hoop will still be there.

possibilities:

1) The jaws of life have become substantially beefier in the last 10 years.

2) Toyota roll structure isn't as beefy as Subarus. The Subaru hoop would lead to more weight up high in the car, and be detrimental to the low CoG target.

3) The picture isn't clear enough, and I'm fretting over nothing.



Only antibiotics at the moment.

The A-pillar is irrelevant, as it isn't nearly as reinforced as the B-pillar on Subarus. The jaws of life will cut through A-pillars of a Subaru without issue.

EDIT: Most of the old articles are gone or paywalled now. Looks like some cutters are catching up to Subaru and BMW.
http://www.genesisrescue.com/html/BoronHeading.asp#

Terrible accident but should never have happened. Hopefully they catch the other guys racing.

While the car is "designed" by both Subaru and Toyota, Subaru is responsible for almost all of the engineering in the car. The chassis itself is designed by Subaru, Toyota had no real involvement in that. I've seen some bare metal pictures of the BRZ chassis and also the new Crosstrek XV and they are somewhat similar.

Also cutters these days can get through the Subaru B-Pillar design.

[Splat]

Originally Posted by j.t.

Probably the driver's first RWD car. This is so many peoples first RWD car, they need to understand you cant drive it like a FWD car.

Why in the world would you say that? Then some people agree, . To many yahoos for no reason just say "they got in wreck since it rear wheel drive". You, and 99% have no idea what happened, other than a wreck. Certainly nothing evident as to reason in those pics. You boys might as well say "the driver probably burnt his pecker with coffee" and then have a couple more agree with you.

[TheRipler]

Originally Posted by dwx

Terrible accident but should never have happened. Hopefully they catch the other guys racing.

While the car is "designed" by both Subaru and Toyota, Subaru is responsible for almost all of the engineering in the car. The chassis itself is designed by Subaru, Toyota had no real involvement in that. I've seen some bare metal pictures of the BRZ chassis and also the new Crosstrek XV and they are somewhat similar.

Also cutters these days can get through the Subaru B-Pillar design.

I did some more searching. Looks like there are several cutters designed to cut through these things, but not all. Older models will have a problem. Explains why there are so many older cutters out there on govt auction sites.

Some good pictures of the Forrester B-pillar on this one:
http://www.firehouse.com/forums/t120166/

I'd hope that standards would catch up with modern construction. That's just how things should progress. I'm happy. Hopefully, I still have a boron steel rod over my noggin. I would love to see a picture of a BRZ pillar sliced open.

[einzlr]

The driver probably burnt his pecker with coffee.

Now do I have a couple of volunteers to agree with me?

[Splat]

Originally Posted by einzlr

Or kill someone else. There's been lots of mention ITT of how safe the 86 is, but it's not only the occupants who are at risk in reckless-driving accidents. In my area alone there have been recent cases where a driver loses control, leaves the road and kills people waiting at bus stops or children on bicycles. Please, everyone, heed the advice of ichi and others in this thread.

Okay people, the drama queen fr-s rear wheel drive witch hunt is over.
This rear wheel drive is far more safer due to all electronic gadgets than any rear wheel drive I, and millions of others, used to drive all the time before front wheel crap. It was no big deal then and still no big deal.
Daily average for car deaths, 100 daily. 100.....your "better be good advice" would be better spent on telling your parents, neighbors, not an fr-s driver(although it does not hurt).
Saturday is worst day of week. The time of most wrecks is between 5-7pm. Follow that up with 13% killed are pedestrians, most of those are halloween and new years day, therefore dont drive on those days and make a real difference. 7% are motorcylce.
99% has nothing to do with racing. Wrecks just happen, in any car, everybody thinks they have skills , since everybody is a driver. If your the hot dog on a 3 lane highway and things go south, not much your skills are going to do, no matter what frd/rwd car you have.
Yes, if an FR-S gets in wreck, everybody here is looking and going to talk about it. Just remember, every single other car just sold, has thier share of brand new, no plates on it, wrecks also.
http://www.car-accidents.com/2007-au...z-crash-1.html

[einzlr]

It's not a witch hunt at all, but rather a lamentation. Someone else said it very well - we need to teach our kids to drive. Kids who learn in their parents' familymobiles can't possibly be expected to know what to do when they get in something like the 86, and it's inevitable that the car will get away from them. I've also said before that perhaps these cars should come with a voucher for a car control clinic or a track day with an instructor as is done with top-of-the-line performance cars like the R8 and the 911. These events not only make you safer, but they also make you a *much* better driver and they are lots of fun

[DBacon1052]

Originally Posted by ashtray

About 12 seconds later I was clocked doing 58 in a 35 zone. (shoot, I couldn't even hit 60 in 12 seconds?!

You might want to get that checked cause I can get up to 60 much faster than 12 seconds... Btw, speeding in a school zone is just dumb. I would pick a better place next time.

[FR-S_Tacoma]

Originally Posted by Wes

holy hell that looks bad.. what were they thinking!!?? that race must've been worth it...

honestly though... even for the street racers who tend to umm lack common sense: does it make much sense to race someone in your car who's only advantage is weight, while you have two other passengers???

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Splat

This rear wheel drive is far more safer due to all electronic gadgets than any rear wheel drive I, and millions of others, used to drive all the time before front wheel crap. It was no big deal then and still no big deal.

Those do no good when you turn them off. And judging by the gung-ho mentality of late teens or young twentysomethings, especially if they decide they want to race and "traction control makes me slower," that's what happens a lot. I'm not saying RWD is inherently more dangerous or anything, but most people who have lived with FWD forever have no idea what snap oversteer is. Those of us that learned in RWD when that's what was available also haven't been hand-held like FWD tends to do, to some extent, as well.

I hope all of the people recover well and learn from it.
And I hope the guys who ditched them at the scene realize that karma's a bitch. Sure they might have gotten in trouble, but man up and take responsibility. Just shows how immature all those involved were.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by einzlr

The driver probably burnt his pecker with coffee.

Now do I have a couple of volunteers to agree with me?

I'll back your coffee-pecker burning platform.

[Wes]

Originally Posted by FR-S_Tacoma

honestly though... even for the street racers who tend to umm lack common sense: does it make much sense to race someone in your car who's only advantage is weight, while you have two other passengers???

seriously, i mean dude i feel like my car slows down with 1 passenger in already. it doesnt make sense to race in the street let alone with someone in the back whom you place in danger since they will have no way out if anything happens. street racing is just dumb..

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Splat

Okay people, the drama queen fr-s rear wheel drive witch hunt is over.
This rear wheel drive is far more safer due to all electronic gadgets than any rear wheel drive I, and millions of others, used to drive all the time before front wheel crap. It was no big deal then and still no big deal.

While you are quoting all those statistics you might want to look up a graph of traffic fatalities over time. Yes, people used to drive RWD cars with no traction control all the time before front wheel crap. It was no big deal, they just died a lot. The FR-S is certainly far safer than the old RWD cars when traction control is on... so what do you think are the odds this kid had traction control on?


http://www.volpe.dot.gov/infosrc/jou...05/graphs.html

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

I'll back your coffee-pecker burning platform.

That's one, do I have any others? ...or are we going to prove @Splat a liar?