Upper control arms for bulk camber

[SuiSid3l]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Yeah...$800 for arms that you can't adjust on the car? I appreciate the hard work and design, but no thanks.

I'm with you on this, 800 bones just seems steep to me. I know its your best method of adjusting rear camber and I'm for spending money on my car but...

[nab335]

I hit up racerx a few days back and they said the upper control arms give a range of a total of 8 degrees of camber. 4 degrees negative or 4 degrees positive.

[Jeff@Racer X Fab]

Originally Posted by SuiSid3l

I'm with you on this, 800 bones just seems steep to me. I know its your best method of adjusting rear camber and I'm for spending money on my car but...

We have had a lot of interest in the upper control arms but most are stating the same issue. Too expensive.

I'm curious what would be considered a reasonable price?

[wparsons]

I would bet if they were the same price as LCA's they would sell more, but I'm only basing it on personal opinion.

[Jeff@Racer X Fab]

Originally Posted by wparsons

I would bet if they were the same price as LCA's they would sell more, but I'm only basing it on personal opinion.

I completely agree, however the complexity to build the upper control arm is greater. Complexity drives up labor and in turn drives up the price.

For example I have seen the front lower control arm sell between $649 and $995 but I have not seen many say that part is overpriced. From our experience the upper control arm is more difficult to build than the lower front. I'm curious why the front lower does not seem overpriced??

[SuiSid3l]

Originally Posted by racerx1715

We have had a lot of interest in the upper control arms but most are stating the same issue. Too expensive.

I'm curious what would be considered a reasonable price?

I dont want you to take that post the wrong way. I inquired about them from you b/c I'm very interested in them. They look amazing and I love that you make them in poly and spherical.

I'd have to say in line or slightly more than quality lca's would be a definite buy from me.

Just for reference I havent spent 500 on rear LCA's specifically b/c I feel they are overpriced for what they are, no when I can essentially tune out most of the negative camber I dont want from 125 dollar bushings...

[IMOA]

Originally Posted by racerx1715

I completely agree, however the complexity to build the upper control arm is greater. Complexity drives up labor and in turn drives up the price.

For example I have seen the front lower control arm sell between $649 and $995 but I have not seen many say that part is overpriced. From our experience the upper control arm is more difficult to build than the lower front. I'm curious why the front lower does not seem overpriced??

My take would be that $800 is very hard to justify for an arm which cannot be adjusted on the car. If it was on-car adjustable the price would be at the higher end but acceptable. If they provided a way that an adjustment could be repeated consistently (eg add 1 degree of camber for track day, remove for street) then they would be very well priced.

Imo in this price-range you're beyond the 'look at me I've got shiny colourful suspension arms' crowd and dealing with people who are focussed on function, in particular function for the track. So that leaves you with the competition being the offset bushes which provide on-car adjustability for $150-$200 which makes it's tough to justify the price.

[Jeff@Racer X Fab]

Originally Posted by IMOA

My take would be that $800 is very hard to justify for an arm which cannot be adjusted on the car. If it was on-car adjustable the price would be at the higher end but acceptable. If they provided a way that an adjustment could be repeated consistently (eg add 1 degree of camber for track day, remove for street) then they would be very well priced.

Imo in this price-range you're beyond the 'look at me I've got shiny colourful suspension arms' crowd and dealing with people who are focussed on function, in particular function for the track. So that leaves you with the competition being the offset bushes which provide on-car adjustability for $150-$200 which makes it's tough to justify the price.

While the cost does seem high, it does provide the adjustment needed at the correct location at half of the weight of the OEM arm. Instead of purchasing lower control arms, trailing arms, and toe links to provide camber and correct alignment. If purchasing all 3 of the lower components the price could go well over $800.00.

We do have upper control arms in prototype that are adjustable on the vehicle. The arms are currently on hold while we view the interest for the rest of the suspension products.

[grodenglaive]

They look well built. Considering it's the only upper control arm available so far, the price isn't unreasonable. People will either buy them, or not.
Because of the ease of installation and adjustment, I'll probably go with the lowers though.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by grodenglaive

They look well built. Considering it's the only upper control arm available so far, the price isn't unreasonable. People will either buy them, or not.
Because of the ease of installation and adjustment, I'll probably go with the lowers though.

IMO, the uppers are easier to adjust even if you have to pull it out of the rear knuckle to adjust it. You're only dealing with a single adjustment instead of three moving parts to get the alignment right. With the LCA's you need to watch all three links (LCA, toe and trailing links) to not affect more than you're intending to.

The price is more than I can justify right now, but that doesn't meant it isn't a fair price. I don't think most people look at the consequences of just adjusting the LCA without the toe and trailing links when they purchase them.

[SLICVIC]

Originally Posted by grodenglaive

They look well built. Considering it's the only upper control arm available so far, the price isn't unreasonable. .

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Originally Posted by wparsons

IMO, the uppers are easier to adjust even if you have to pull it out of the rear knuckle to adjust it. You're only dealing with a single adjustment instead of three moving parts to get the alignment right. With the LCA's you need to watch all three links (LCA, toe and trailing links) to not affect more than you're intending to.

The price is more than I can justify right now, but that doesn't meant it isn't a fair price. I don't think most people look at the consequences of just adjusting the LCA without the toe and trailing links when they purchase them.

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eyeballing my LCA and toelinks was extremely difficult. in the end had an alignment shop do it. I read up somewhere about a company attempting to produce these and the result was too difficult to mass produce and sell at an attractive price. Seeing these 800 does not surprise me. As far as fitment goes, sometimes negative camber isnt "Good" camber. For example, the front LCAs being on a Mcpherson setup, Dialing in more negative camber will give you LESS clearance . (same effect on the GD Subarus with Mcpherson all around) On our rears, the LCAs do help for fitment clearance, but the uppers will give you alot more room between tire and fender. LCAs will kick out the bottom of the knuckle/wheel while upper arms will pull in the top of the knuckle/wheel.

@racerx1715 Just curious, lets say on stock LCA , trailing, toe links, Whats the maximum negative camber possible with your upper control arms?

[SuiSid3l]

The funny thing is I saw the price tag and immediately said no thanks, now I'm probably gonna read this entire thread and get talked into buying them...

[Jeff@Racer X Fab]

Originally Posted by SLICVIC

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eyeballing my LCA and toelinks was extremely difficult. in the end had an alignment shop do it. I read up somewhere about a company attempting to produce these and the result was too difficult to mass produce and sell at an attractive price. Seeing these 800 does not surprise me. As far as fitment goes, sometimes negative camber isnt "Good" camber. For example, the front LCAs being on a Mcpherson setup, Dialing in more negative camber will give you LESS clearance . (same effect on the GD Subarus with Mcpherson all around) On our rears, the LCAs do help for fitment clearance, but the uppers will give you alot more room between tire and fender. LCAs will kick out the bottom of the knuckle/wheel while upper arms will pull in the top of the knuckle/wheel.

@racerx1715 Just curious, lets say on stock LCA , trailing, toe links, Whats the maximum negative camber possible with your upper control arms?

4 Degrees of camber adjustment in either direction.

[SLICVIC]

Originally Posted by racerx1715

4 Degrees of camber adjustment in either direction.

Amazing. Thanks.