0-60 mph - forget handling ability for 5.9 seconds

[SUB-FT86]

I have never seen a N/A 4 cylinder where the auto/dsg is faster than the manual. Only turbo 4 cylinders, 6/8/10/12 cylinders.

[ydooby]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

How much does 13 gallons weigh? 200+ lbs? I doubt it.

You have to take into account the weight of his fat arse.

[Eldorian]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

When I saw that I chose not to respond to it.

Seriously. The Renesis is a high strung, low displacement, naturally aspirated engine. What the hell do you think they're putting in the Toybaru?

[ahausheer]

When numbers are publishes I will refer to Consumer Reports. My reason for this is their 0-60 times are from idle, no shenanigans. I like this because I too will not be using shenanigans when I drive it hard.

[ryude]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

How much does 13 gallons weigh? 200+ lbs? I doubt it.

Dry weight means no tranny fluid, no motor oil, no fuel, no coolant, and more. It can easily add up to 100+ lbs.

[mines13]

Lest we forget that this car will have a greater drivetrain loss due to the front engine rwd configuration. Longitudinal transaxles, fwd or longitudinal mid engined cars are both more effiecent. Expect it to be closer to 7 then 6. Fine with me, I'm not buying this car for stoplight duels.

[Mr.Jay]

new reviews coming in are guessing "shade over 6" so we seem to be in the ballpark

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I have never seen a N/A 4 cylinder where the auto/dsg is faster than the manual. Only turbo 4 cylinders, 6/8/10/12 cylinders.

Hard to say, usually auto is given widely spaced gears and high final drive because manual is supposed to be "sporty" (how stupid is that), but seeing how they wanted the automatic to have a whiff of sportiness I think it's possible they kept the ratios similar, in which case the faster shifting auto would do better.

Originally Posted by Eldorian

Seriously. The Renesis is a high strung, low displacement, naturally aspirated engine. What the hell do you think they're putting in the Toybaru?

Uh not exactly, the Renesis pumps more air than a 2.0L engine per crankshaft revolution. More precisely, 2 crankshaft revolutions will pump the full displacement of the motor into the intake and out the exhaust, while a rotary pumps its full displacement out in 1 crankshaft revolution because it pumps 1.3L worth of air in and then 1.3L of exhaust out together.

That aside, it has >230hp which is quite a bit more than the FR-S.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by ydooby

You have to take into account the weight of his fat arse.

:happy0180:

Originally Posted by ryude

Dry weight means no tranny fluid, no motor oil, no fuel, no coolant, and more. It can easily add up to 100+ lbs.

I totally forgot about that. Thanks.

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Hard to say, usually auto is given widely spaced gears and high final drive because manual is supposed to be "sporty" (how stupid is that), but seeing how they wanted the automatic to have a whiff of sportiness I think it's possible they kept the ratios similar, in which case the faster shifting auto would do better.


Uh not exactly, the Renesis pumps more air than a 2.0L engine per crankshaft revolution. More precisely, 2 crankshaft revolutions will pump the full displacement of the motor into the intake and out the exhaust, while a rotary pumps its full displacement out in 1 crankshaft revolution because it pumps 1.3L worth of air in and then 1.3L of exhaust out together.

That aside, it has >230hp which is quite a bit more than the FR-S.

My RSX has a sporty geared automatic and it is .5-.7 seconds slower than the base manual at 7.7 seconds.

[serialk11r]

Maybe they call it sporty, perhaps you feel like it's sporty, but the ratios are quite a bit lower and far apart http://www.new-cars.com/2004/acura/acura-rsx-specs.html

Auto definitely shifts faster, they're usually plagued by crap ratios.

Actually looking at that chart I totally understand why you complain about your car now, the manual transmission has 17% higher gearing in 1st, combined with torque converter slippage, ouch.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ydooby

You have to take into account the weight of his fat arse.

Said the Stig's fat American cousin.....

Originally Posted by ryude

Dry weight means no tranny fluid, no motor oil, no fuel, no coolant, and more. It can easily add up to 100+ lbs.

Exactly. Witness the weights Ferrari claims for their cars and then witness the weight they test at.

[WhippleDip]

I try and think of the 86 as basically a RWD USDM Integra Type R based solely on the specs.
They both weigh about 2600-2700lbs and have very similar Horsepower and Torque. Based on this information, and factoring in drivetrain power losses on the 86 and Torque Steer on the ITR, they both should be very close, so around 6.5 seconds. I would love to see a drag race between them both, would be interesting to see how close in performance they really are.

[Soravia]

It will probably be around RX-8. Less weight, less top power, marginally less torque, but sooner torque delivery. I doubt any difference from RX-8 will make any significant number.
After 60MPH, RX-8 should pull away.

[Soravia]

It will probably be around RX-8. Less weight, less top power, marginally less torque, but sooner torque delivery. I doubt any difference from RX-8 will make any significant number.
After 60MPH, RX-8 should pull away.