Hill Holder on Manual Transmission? - Page 5 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

HotLavaMann · 05-14-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 315FR-S

clutch drop fools

It was 1985 and my friend Keith and I were in San Francisco in his dad's Nissan Maxima. Real steep hill, he's stuck behind a truck. Truck finally moves off and he decides to just drop the clutch ... and we just sat there as the clutch smoked up the car and the car went nowhere. Wasn't pretty. Sure, the car is a lot heavier but it was a V6. On a 30%+ grade hill, an emergency brake is required.

315FR-S · 05-14-2012, 09:30 PM

dang. i thought this was going to be a smokey burnout/cop story

chate · 05-14-2012, 09:40 PM

FRS=no hill assist
i'm new to stick, and have been LOVING the drama of traffic uphill...learning something new and how not to stall or screech the tires makes it even more fun!

PERRIN_Jeff · 05-15-2012, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

In Canada, hill holder is included for the BRZ:
"6-speed Manual Transmission (6MT) with Hill Holder system" - from spec sheet PDF, dated April 20/2012

Interesting for sure. I think in general, this is really area dependent. Meaning SF, its a must for some. Montana, probably not. In Oregon, you have a little of everything to deal with. And when i mean everything, I mean a wife that sometimes drives the car and she has to feel confident on hills

frslee · 03-19-2013, 12:00 PM

I practiced at a casino parking garage haha. Their hill is intense.

If you just bought this car and new to MT and live in MD, go to Maryland live casino and practice hill start there. Lesson well learned for me.

7m-GTE · 04-26-2013, 11:24 PM

I always thought that it was standard. I have a limited BRZ w/ manual and if i release the clutch, near the top, the car will move forward on a flat surface and hold somewhat on a gentle incline. Very similar when I put the car in reverse and nearly completely release the clutch, the car essentially accelerates in reverse--no add'l throttle needed.

Now, I should preface this by saying I haven't driven a manual in 10+ years, but this feels different...

Captain Snooze · 04-27-2013, 12:32 AM

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allawd · 04-27-2013, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 7m-GTE

I always thought that it was standard. I have a limited BRZ w/ manual and if i release the clutch, near the top, the car will move forward on a flat surface and hold somewhat on a gentle incline. Very similar when I put the car in reverse and nearly completely release the clutch, the car essentially accelerates in reverse--no add'l throttle needed.

Now, I should preface this by saying I haven't driven a manual in 10+ years, but this feels different...

Engines have anti-stall, maybe that is what you are feeling. If you have good clutch pedal control most of the time the engine will try and keep adding throttle to prevent a stall. It's just too slow to work for pulling away in normal traffic without pissing everyone off.

A hill holder keeps the wheel brakes engaged until the clutch is released.

Captain Snooze · 04-27-2013, 12:34 AM

Anti-stall? My anti-stall must be broken because I have stalled a few times. Would this be covered by warranty?

MY13FRS · 04-27-2013, 12:37 AM

Go buy an automatic.

Vormund · 04-27-2013, 12:51 AM

Wow you guys are harsh lol

I do tend to agree though. I use my handbrake, depending how steep the hill is or if some dumbass decides to sit right behind me.

allawd · 04-27-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Anti-stall? My anti-stall must be broken because I have stalled a few times. Would this be covered by warranty?

If your anti-stall was broken your engine would not idle at all. The system causes faster idle on cold mornings or when the A/C kicks on. It's not meant to prevent stalling when you try to pull away, it is more of a side-effect.

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Originally Posted by Vormund

Wow you guys are harsh lol

I do tend to agree though. I use my handbrake, depending how steep the hill is or if some dumbass decides to sit right behind me.

You can learn to get up any hill without a handbrake, it just takes practice. Key is not to get the clutch hot from slipping too much or it will not fully engage even with the pedal all the way out. Results in surface glazing at minimum or new clutch eventually. Hand brake is cheap insurance for your clutch.

Captain Snooze · 04-27-2013, 05:51 PM

I was being sarcastic. So it's not anti-stall, it's idle compensation? You called it anti-stall.

LeeMaster · 04-27-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by devinclfalcons

Will the manual transmissions come with hill-holder as a feature or option?

No, I just use my lightning reflex and catapult my car up a hill.

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frslee Just drive it Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 13' FR-S Location: Maryland Posts: 1,122 Thanks: 97 Thanked 321 Times in 218 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	I practiced at a casino parking garage haha. Their hill is intense. If you just bought this car and new to MT and live in MD, go to Maryland live casino and practice hill start there. Lesson well learned for me.

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7m-GTE Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ Limited M/T Location: Oklahoma Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I always thought that it was standard. I have a limited BRZ w/ manual and if i release the clutch, near the top, the car will move forward on a flat surface and hold somewhat on a gentle incline. Very similar when I put the car in reverse and nearly completely release the clutch, the car essentially accelerates in reverse--no add'l throttle needed. Now, I should preface this by saying I haven't driven a manual in 10+ years, but this feels different...

04-27-2013, 12:34 AM	#65
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,819 Thanks: 4,051 Thanked 9,556 Times in 4,196 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Anti-stall? My anti-stall must be broken because I have stalled a few times. Would this be covered by warranty?

04-27-2013, 12:37 AM	#66
MY13FRS ***** Super Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 13 FRS Location: Pluto Posts: 177 Thanks: 12 Thanked 72 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Go buy an automatic.

04-27-2013, 12:51 AM	#67
Vormund Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 86 GT, CX-5, Mazda2 Location: Adelaide Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wow you guys are harsh lol I do tend to agree though. I use my handbrake, depending how steep the hill is or if some dumbass decides to sit right behind me.

04-27-2013, 05:51 PM	#69
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,819 Thanks: 4,051 Thanked 9,556 Times in 4,196 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I was being sarcastic. So it's not anti-stall, it's idle compensation? You called it anti-stall.

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