Hill Holder on Manual Transmission? - Page 4 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Maxim · 02-11-2012, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chulooz

Unfortunately Subaru's hill assist does have a big negative.

On newer WRXs the feature cannot be turned off. So when drivers that can actually start quickly/well on an incline attempt to do their thing issues arise. The system lags the process by automatically sustaining brake pressure, thus causing the driver to usually stall.

In my opinion such newer driver aids should have been foregone in this model. Nissan's auto-blip feature is just another system that eliminates the connective benefits of a manual transmission.

Hmm. I did not know that. The few times I've sampled a system like this, it was on trucks, and the brakes disengaged the instant that the clutch started to engage. Then again, I was not attempting to violently launch the truck up that big rock....

subatoy · 02-29-2012, 01:32 PM

The hill assist can be turned OFF with the VDC (whatever Subaru calls it).
I love this hill climb feature, no I don't need it but yes I do want it.
SO IS THIS A STANDARD FEATURE???

SVTSHC · 02-29-2012, 01:55 PM

Hill assist makes me stall 100% of the time. Just move your feet fast bro.

Draco-REX · 02-29-2012, 04:09 PM

I hope if there is a Hill Holder that it can be turned off or disabled. I've heard of too many people killing their clutches because of a hill holder system that doesn't release quickly enough. I have no problem starting on a hill with just my feet. I don't want some nanny trying to do it for me.

OrbitalEllipses · 02-29-2012, 06:51 PM

As far as disabling it goes: yes the WRX can't disable it, but in an interesting move by Subaru, the STI can.

SLeRoux92 · 02-29-2012, 08:06 PM

this thread gave me a headache...

Turbowned · 05-09-2012, 05:02 PM

So uhhhh, can anyone confirm, now what some people have had a chance to drive it??

awlllwa · 05-10-2012, 04:30 PM

It better be there, its been in every MT subaru I have driven and owned.

Brat, XT6, Loyale, Legacy, WRX, Impreza.

Its what makes a Subaru. lol

The 2 cars i owned; XT6 and Loyale; the hill stop has never malfunctioned, and my 89 XT6 is currently my DD. I assume the AT have it as well but i have never tested to see if it was there.

Sasquachulator · 05-10-2012, 05:01 PM

I avoid hills or steep inclines cuz its annoying to do.

But if worse comes to worse i use my handbrake.

Do i want one? No, cuz whenever i do hit a hill/steep incline i WANT to make sure i can start the car without spinning the tires

PERRIN_Jeff · 05-13-2012, 02:34 AM

I have NEVER stalled my Subarus with this. In fact it actually works very well.

But my BRZ does NOT have this. I thought it might, so lets put this thread to bed, it doesn't have it, so there is no reason to worry about it!

HotLavaMann · 05-14-2012, 02:50 AM

I checked the FRS owners manual, there is nothing in there on any type of hill holding.

On Friday I found myself in downtown Seattle where some of the hills are almost as bad as San Francisco. I had to use the emergency brake and release it as the clutch engaged. I didn't notice any type of hill holding feature. As for just switching pedals really quick, on those type of hills I would be going quickly backwards if I didn't use emergency brake as the hill is about a 30% grade.

Sport-Tech · 05-14-2012, 03:53 AM

In Canada, hill holder is included for the BRZ:
"6-speed Manual Transmission (6MT) with Hill Holder system" - from spec sheet PDF, dated April 20/2012

315FR-S · 05-14-2012, 08:12 PM

clutch drop fools

Jeff_DML · 05-14-2012, 08:48 PM

had one in my m3 and back to without one in my mazda 3. It was ok and got use to it but dont miss it being gone. I could see it being nice for the newbie clutch driver which I am guessing a lot of FR-s and BRZ might be.

02-29-2012, 01:55 PM	#45
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02-29-2012, 08:06 PM	#48
SLeRoux92 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Drives: 2005 Nissan Xterra Location: Largo, FL Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	this thread gave me a headache... __________________

05-14-2012, 02:50 AM	#53
HotLavaMann First 86 member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: FRS, Tacoma, Honda CB1100 Location: WA State Posts: 165 Thanks: 3 Thanked 92 Times in 29 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hills in Seattle with FR-S I checked the FRS owners manual, there is nothing in there on any type of hill holding. On Friday I found myself in downtown Seattle where some of the hills are almost as bad as San Francisco. I had to use the emergency brake and release it as the clutch engaged. I didn't notice any type of hill holding feature. As for just switching pedals really quick, on those type of hills I would be going quickly backwards if I didn't use emergency brake as the hill is about a 30% grade.

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02-29-2012, 01:32 PM	#44
subatoy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: subatoy Location: Atlanta Posts: 667 Thanks: 32 Thanked 198 Times in 106 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The hill assist can be turned OFF with the VDC (whatever Subaru calls it). I love this hill climb feature, no I don't need it but yes I do want it. SO IS THIS A STANDARD FEATURE???

02-29-2012, 04:09 PM	#46
Draco-REX Corner Junkie Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 13 BRZ, 11 STI, 99 RS Location: Ohio Posts: 2,908 Thanks: 129 Thanked 1,521 Times in 702 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I hope if there is a Hill Holder that it can be turned off or disabled. I've heard of too many people killing their clutches because of a hill holder system that doesn't release quickly enough. I have no problem starting on a hill with just my feet. I don't want some nanny trying to do it for me.

02-29-2012, 06:51 PM	#47
OrbitalEllipses Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Attitude Location: MD Posts: 10,046 Thanks: 884 Thanked 4,890 Times in 2,903 Posts Mentioned: 123 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	As far as disabling it goes: yes the WRX can't disable it, but in an interesting move by Subaru, the STI can.

05-10-2012, 05:01 PM	#51
Sasquachulator Pavement Grey Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2020 Toyota Camry XSE, 2017 BMW X1 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,116 Thanks: 109 Thanked 2,256 Times in 1,221 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I avoid hills or steep inclines cuz its annoying to do. But if worse comes to worse i use my handbrake. Do i want one? No, cuz whenever i do hit a hill/steep incline i WANT to make sure i can start the car without spinning the tires

05-13-2012, 02:34 AM	#52
PERRIN_Jeff Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Matte Black STI Location: PERRIN Performance Posts: 119 Thanks: 17 Thanked 1,546 Times in 206 Posts Mentioned: 70 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have NEVER stalled my Subarus with this. In fact it actually works very well. But my BRZ does NOT have this. I thought it might, so lets put this thread to bed, it doesn't have it, so there is no reason to worry about it!

05-14-2012, 03:53 AM	#54
Sport-Tech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: TBD Location: Toronto Posts: 2,583 Thanks: 665 Thanked 685 Times in 386 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	In Canada, hill holder is included for the BRZ: "6-speed Manual Transmission (6MT) with Hill Holder system" - from spec sheet PDF, dated April 20/2012

05-14-2012, 08:48 PM	#56
Jeff_DML Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: 2008 M3 Sedan(last motor vehicle) Location: San Diego Posts: 31 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	had one in my m3 and back to without one in my mazda 3. It was ok and got use to it but dont miss it being gone. I could see it being nice for the newbie clutch driver which I am guessing a lot of FR-s and BRZ might be.

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