Frs not being produced in auto?

[Carban]

last year during my nonstop search for a manual whiteout fr-s i was literally told by a car salesman that ill never find one and that they stopped making them in white. this was obviously immediately after telling me he just got in an asphalt fr-s.

...idiots.

[Atticus808]

salesman at Subaru told me the frs has the engine off to the side. so the brz has a better centre if gravity

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by FirestormFRS

Manual FRS and BRZ will sale to the enthusiast. There aren't a lot of those in the market. First year sales will likely be more manual than automatic (maybe). Once the enthusiast market is sold though......

Automatics will sale to all the kids that can't drive manuals, to the 30+ fems wanting the "cute" little car at the dealership, and to people that just simply don't want a manual. There are many, many more of these.

I'd love to see the sales split auto vs. manual.

this is very true! hence,why,even in THIS car eventually resale value will be better for the "slush" box over time.

[Nguyenstreak]

I wish someone approached me when I went to a Toyota dealership recently so I had a funny story to share, but both times I went to the dealership, people looked at me and simply walked away... I later went to a Hyundai dealership down the road and he offered to open one of the Fr-s' up for me so I could drive it. I thought that was really hilarious that someone at Hyundai was more willing to show me a Scion then the people at Toyota...

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by FirestormFRS

Manual FRS and BRZ will sale to the enthusiast. There aren't a lot of those in the market. First year sales will likely be more manual than automatic (maybe). Once the enthusiast market is sold though......

Automatics will sale to all the kids that can't drive manuals, to the 30+ fems wanting the "cute" little car at the dealership, and to people that just simply don't want a manual. There are many, many more of these.

I'd love to see the sales split auto vs. manual.

Originally Posted by dem00n

Wow, you sure know a lot about people who buy Autos.

Tell me, is that your day job? Because you sure as hell suck at it.

man's right!,as f**ked up as it is. with the exception of people who have driven "stick" for a long time,no body really gives a f**k about stick anymore.

[strat61caster]

On Topic: I don't care how much the salesman knows, as long as he doesn't blatantly lie and he can get me the car I want for a reasonable price I'm happy. It's a shame they find that so difficult.

Off Topic:

Originally Posted by FirestormFRS

A "real car guy" would know that the most expensive sports cars in the world come with automatic transmissions.

NO, no no no.
There is a big difference between an [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission"]Automatic transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] and a Dual-clutch transmission it's kind of like the difference between a piston engine and a wankel engine; same purpose, very different mechanically. The paddle shifters in the FRS/BRZ have much more in common with the auto in your moms minivan than the "auto" in a GTR or 458.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by powerj2

they wanna get you in that car today, not wait for an auto!

Yeah, it's really annoying how car sales people often count on you being completely ignorant of all the facts.

"Oh, dey don't make auto transmission anymore? Otay, I buy a manual transmission right now."

Originally Posted by strat61caster

NO, no no no.
There is a big difference between an Automatic transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and a Dual-clutch transmission it's kind of like the difference between a piston engine and a wankel engine; same purpose, very different mechanically. The paddle shifters in the FRS/BRZ have much more in common with the auto in your moms minivan than the "auto" in a GTR or 458.

Although to be fair, the McLaren Mercedes SLR has a traditional automatic. And I think there were some others but can't recall at the moment. But yeah, most are either DCT or automated single clutch like a race car.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Although to be fair, the Lexus LFA and McLaren Mercedes SLR have traditional automatic trannies.

True on the SLR, not true on the LFA, looked it up and it's got one of these:
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrohydraulic_manual_transmission"]Electrohydraulic manual transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

And it's sequential which is pretty rare for a street legal roadcar so that's cool.

I'm not saying you can't get a high performance vehicle with an automatic, it's the transmission of choice for drag racing because you can play with when the torque converter engages for sweet launches.

I'm saying when you hear about how the automated transmissions in the new high end cars are so great they are very little like the automatic in the FRS/BRZ, which again has more in common with an Altima than a GTR.

I'm sure it's a spectacular transmission, but saying "it's just like the new Porsche GT3!" is erroneous at best.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

True on the SLR, not true on the LFA, looked it up and it's got one of these:
Electrohydraulic manual transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And it's sequential which is pretty rare for a street legal roadcar so that's cool.

I'm not saying you can't get a high performance vehicle with an automatic, it's the transmission of choice for drag racing because you can play with when the torque converter engages for sweet launches.

I'm saying when you hear about how the automated transmissions in the new high end cars are so great they are very little like the automatic in the FRS/BRZ, which again has more in common with an Altima than a GTR.

I'm sure it's a spectacular transmission, but saying "it's just like the new Porsche GT3!" is erroneous at best.

Yep, I immediately edited it after I remembered but you beat me to it.

But yeah, I hear ya on the autos. However, to be brutally honest about our Evo X MR, the twin clutch transmission is not that great. In normal operation, I would probably prefer a traditional automatic. It's only when you're driving it flat out that the advantages of the DCT become clear. Around town, it has a hard time starting off (slipping the clutch) and it can be jerky at times.

But yeah, I hear the Porsche's DCT is just about perfect though. Although, for fun I still prefer a manual.

[Obja]

the salesmen told my dad the car was slow, little do they know that I drive a race car!

VROOM VROOM

[AZOOZ_95]

I HAD A DEALER IN SUBARU TELL ME THAT THE BRZ'S ENGINE WAS A LITTLE MORE TO THE LEFT THAN THE GT86... i actually laughed in his face hahahahahahaha

[CaptainSlow]

I was told the "Sport" button in the automatic FRS I test drove last year "firmed up the suspension". I almost believed it at first (didn't know much about the car at the time).

I was also told by a different dealership that Scion does not lease the FR-S...that it was purchase-only.

I think car salesmen are trained to never say "I don't know" to a question they don't know the answer to...like they are all told to just say the first thing that comes to mind.

[n2oinferno]

I told the sales manager that I wanted to hold off and look at a BRZ.

"It's the exact same car pretty much."

At least he knew what he was talking bout.

[campy]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I love it when they try arguing about features/options I KNOW that the car doesn't have...

Scion guy told this to me a few months back: "Oh yeah, there's an interior upgrade option for the FRS, but we don't have any in stock, we have to order it from the factory...put down a deposit and I'll get one for you..."

They might have been talking about the JDM leather seat covers?
These: http://www.nigel-jdmparts.com/hachir...eyword=leather

Originally Posted by Nguyenstreak

I wish someone approached me when I went to a Toyota dealership recently so I had a funny story to share, but both times I went to the dealership, people looked at me and simply walked away... I later went to a Hyundai dealership down the road and he offered to open one of the Fr-s' up for me so I could drive it. I thought that was really hilarious that someone at Hyundai was more willing to show me a Scion then the people at Toyota...

The first time I went to check out an FRS, I drove my Porsche 993 (with roll cage, racing seats, aftermarket wheels/suspension/exhaust) to the dealership. Two salesmen came out before I got out of my car and immediately asked if I wanted to test drive the only FRS they had on the lot