centering rings necessary?

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

securing the lug nuts in sequence by hand before tightening and torquing is what properly centers the wheel.

No, thats what the CENTERING rings are for, they are on both my track and non track wheels

[BlaineWasHere]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

No, thats what the CENTERING rings are for, they are on both my track and non track wheels

The wheel will still be centered without hub rungs. I've run several hundred thousand miles without them on my old cars and my wheels were always centered.

Just a pain in the ass to take on and off because that car had lug bolts, not lug nuts.

I've run both with and without them at the track.

[Huehuecoyotl]

we'll have to agree to disagree here, respectfully

I run a truck that I converted from hubcentric to NON, but I like to have perfect centered wheels for higher speed use

[bakerr6]

thanks guys, I may see if there's a way I can do a vibration rate test and a variance test on whether not they are useful or not in the future. It would be a long ways away though with how busy we are during tax season and the few months after.

[deucethemoose]

You should use hub-centric rings if you cannot properly tighten a wheel.


If you can properly tighten(and torque) a wheel then you do not need them. Lug nuts are conical for this very reason, people.


Hub-centric rings = band-aids for improper wheel installation.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

No, thats what the CENTERING rings are for, they are on both my track and non track wheels

There's no way a centering ring does anything beyond hold the wheel in place while you're tightening the lugs. They're way too weak to actually hold a wheel in place with weight on it.

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

we'll have to agree to disagree here, respectfully

I run a truck that I converted from hubcentric to NON, but I like to have perfect centered wheels for higher speed use

On this vehicle/wheels, what kind of seat are the lugs? If you're running either bowl or taper seat lugs and manage to get a wheel on off center something was done wrong in the installation.

VW guys swear by them because they use thread in bolts instead of pressed in studs with lugs and it's a HUGE pain in the ass to get a wheel lined up if it isn't hubcentric, but if you can set the wheel on the studs it isn't so bad.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Thats not my point, I rather have the wheel perfectly centered, and the lugs dont do that as well as the rings IMHO

[deucethemoose]

The lugs do that perfectly well, actually.


If you want your wheels perfectly centered you need to tighten the lug nuts gradually in star pattern.

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by wparsons

On this vehicle/wheels, what kind of seat are the lugs? If you're running either bowl or taper seat lugs and manage to get a wheel on off center something was done wrong in the installation.

VW guys swear by them because they use thread in bolts instead of pressed in studs with lugs and it's a HUGE pain in the ass to get a wheel lined up if it isn't hubcentric, but if you can set the wheel on the studs it isn't so bad.

The Toybaru uses a conical seat, which is the best kind for alignment and torquing.

I've always disliked VW and other German cars (only the German cars it seems too...) that use bolts to mount the wheels to the hub. Just about every other car in the world uses studs on the wheel hub with nuts, making it easy and much quicker to change out with much less frustration and chance of messing up the threading in the wheel hub (because there is none!) Much easier to replace a damaged stud than fix/replace a damaged wheel hub because of messed up threading or seized bolt...

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Thats not my point, I rather have the wheel perfectly centered, and the lugs dont do that as well as the rings IMHO

Unless you're using square seat lugs I would have to disagree.

Originally Posted by Vracer111

The Toybaru uses a conical seat, which is the best kind for alignment and torquing.

I was asking the other guy what style he was using on his car, not the FRS/BRZ, but you're right!

Originally Posted by Vracer111

I've always disliked VW and other German cars (only the German cars it seems too...) that use bolts to mount the wheels to the hub. Just about every other car in the world uses studs on the wheel hub with nuts, making it easy and much quicker to change out with much less frustration and chance of messing up the threading in the wheel hub (because there is none!) Much easier to replace a damaged stud than fix/replace a damaged wheel hub because of messed up threading or seized bolt...

The only thing better about the German style is that it's MUCH easier to run longer "studs" if you need to, everything else you mentioned is a very real concern.

[xGoggles88x]

Where can I buy these rings?? I have some rotiforms blq and I would like to throw them on for safety.

[gramicci101]

They don't increase safety, they just help keep the wheel centered while you put the lug nuts on. Our wheels are lug centric, not hub centric. This means that the lug nuts perform the duty of locating and centering the wheel. Hub centric wheels have flat (not conical or acorn) lug nuts and rely on the hub to keep the wheel centered. Once you've got the lug nuts on, incrementally tighten them in a star pattern until you reach your torque value. That will center the wheel.

[mfbmike]

Hub centric rings are not necessary.

If they help you sleep better at night, then put them on.

"But they are only 10 bucks"

Chipotle > hub centric rings

[was385]

Originally Posted by Vracer111

The Toybaru uses a conical seat, which is the best kind for alignment and torquing.

I've always disliked VW and other German cars (only the German cars it seems too...) that use bolts to mount the wheels to the hub. Just about every other car in the world uses studs on the wheel hub with nuts, making it easy and much quicker to change out with much less frustration and chance of messing up the threading in the wheel hub (because there is none!) Much easier to replace a damaged stud than fix/replace a damaged wheel hub because of messed up threading or seized bolt...

I can't agree with this enough. Mounting up wheels on a 911 is a total PITA with those lug bolts.