Nitrous Express Plate Kit

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I'm installing the FX300 (345 WTQ capacity) in two weeks. Its supposed to be good for DD. Will let you know impressions.

Anything 6 puck is not equal to driveable.

what would make someone choose a 6-puck over a 4-puck? the torque capacity remains the same (at least with the act kits) no?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by jamesm

what would make someone choose a 6-puck over a 4-puck? the torque capacity remains the same (at least with the act kits) no?

A 6 puck is more driveable than a 4 puck. The less pucks you have, the rougher the engagement is.

4 puck applications are basically a drag race car and that's about it.

[Area51]

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

So from what I'm gathering, this would NEVER have happened if there was a window switch installed to cut the nitrous before redline??

Also, I'm not yet familiar enough with ecutek's capabilities to know this, but can a map be setup with an ignition rev limiter for safer use of nitrous with ecutek? @Visconti or @moto-mike should know this.

This will definitely feed the nitrous hatred, and tbh, it does make me second guess the great value, as your engine was obviously one rev limiter bounce away from catastrophic failure.... Clearly this kit isn't 'complete enough' to run a 'fail-safe' nitrous setup. (To stop flames in their tracks: Yes, I know that fail-safe doesn't exist.)

I was hoping to be able to see better results, not so much power, but longevity! It would have been great to see the car take some abuse over 6months-1yr, without any major failures.

Hopefully someone "more responsible" gets there hands on a kit and takes full precaution when setting it up (fail-safe features, ecutek tuned). And that is not a jab at you, just that from your post explosion comments you don't seem to have cared very strongly for the car, and you and your wife in a way almost enjoyed seeing it happen...

Can we chalk this failure up to 'irresponsible use' so that I am not forever deterred from nitrous?

Yea, thats fine with me. On dyno I saw not one reason to not try the 100shot which is from the prev run results. I could have stopped at 215whp and fine tuned the afr even more but thats not way of thinking. Everyone has there opinion but as I.recall I was the only member there aswell as other tuners who all agreed. I dont harp on the neg, life to short. My wife enjoys the hobby equaly and when a car makes x amount of power we respect what it actualy took to make x amount more.than the avg enthusiast.

[Argento_FR-S]

Just an FYI for everyone, I am going to be picking this kit up very soon, and since my car is my DD I can promise you all that I will be taking as many precautions as possible to prevent my car from meeting the same fate as this one. Also I have never done a nitrous car before so I will be learning from scratch basically, and will also try to prove how safe and reliable nitrous can be while showing that a newb can do it.

Although this could work out great for the one guy wanting to put that small light V8 (the one that is basically 2 hayabusa engines) into one of these cars... I'm sure he may be interested in a shell.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ht=engine+swap

[AllDayJonRay]

Originally Posted by Area51

Yea, thats fine with me. On dyno I saw not one reason to not try the 100shot which is from the prev run results. I could have stopped at 215whp and fine tuned the afr even more but thats not way of thinking. Everyone has there opinion but as I.recall I was the only member there aswell as other tuners who all agreed. I dont harp on the neg, life to short. My wife enjoys the hobby equaly and when a car makes x amount of power we respect what it actualy took to make x amount more.than the avg enthusiast.

Now here you say that you and 'other tuners' attending 'didn't see a reason not to' try the 100shot?? By 'other tuners' do you mean the staff at the shop, on-lookers, or actual tuners? obviously people spectating will always say "yea, throw the 100 nozzle on that bitch", but did you or any 'tuners' even look for a reason not to? Did you review datalogs to verify that it was actually running healthy on the 75shot? Is ecutek or anything comparable installed on the car to allow for that? Your AFR gauge tells only a small portion of the story of what's going on.

I understand that you seem to be pretty easy going in regards to your car's health, but it doesn't seem like it mattered to you at all if she popped.

You seemed to take the carb'd v8 approach at this: "Sounded good with 75, hit 'er with a hunderd and see what happens."

What are your plans now? Rebuild? Move on?

[jwjknorr]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

This is why I hate so much the way information is presented sometimes (no knock on you AT ALL, you weren't the one who posted this information!!).

Vortech's kit is at 249 WHP @ 9 psi. The 294 figure is crank HP.

Sorry if i came off wrong , i ment nothing by it, just was stating my opinion because ive been contemplating this.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by jwjknorr

Sorry if i came off wrong , i ment nothing by it, just was stating my opinion because ive been contemplating this.

No no, my friend. For real, it is not your fault! It was the way the data was presented by Vortech. It was confusing and it seemed they meant 294 WHP, so I just wanted to clarify it.

You are good!!

[Freeman]

Originally Posted by Argento_FR-S

Just an FYI for everyone, I am going to be picking this kit up very soon, and since my car is my DD I can promise you all that I will be taking as many precautions as possible to prevent my car from meeting the same fate as this one. Also I have never done a nitrous car before so I will be learning from scratch basically, and will also try to prove how safe and reliable nitrous can be while showing that a newb can do it.

Although this could work out great for the one guy wanting to put that small light V8 (the one that is basically 2 hayabusa engines) into one of these cars... I'm sure he may be interested in a shell.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ht=engine+swap

When you do your setup can you start another thread? I have a feeling this one is going to devolve pretty soon.

Via my Note 2

[Area51]

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

Now here you say that you and 'other tuners' attending 'didn't see a reason not to' try the 100shot?? By 'other tuners' do you mean the staff at the shop, on-lookers, or actual tuners? obviously people spectating will always say "yea, throw the 100 nozzle on that bitch", but did you or any 'tuners' even look for a reason not to? Did you review datalogs to verify that it was actually running healthy on the 75shot? Is ecutek or anything comparable installed on the car to allow for that? Your AFR gauge tells only a small portion of the story of what's going on.

I understand that you seem to be pretty easy going in regards to your car's health, but it doesn't seem like it mattered to you at all if she popped.

You seemed to take the carb'd v8 approach at this: "Sounded good with 75, hit 'er with a hunderd and see what happens."

What are your plans now? Rebuild? Move on?

Fix, put back stock, trade in. Wife wants me find something four door so my son has more room on car show trips an such. Mabe evo or G8, will see like to have something new by next month. Or atleast this fixed. I have another car so its not to big of a burden.

[AZFA20]

Originally Posted by Area51

Fix, put back stock, trade in. Wife wants me find something four door so my son has more room on car show trips an such. Mabe evo or G8, will see like to have something new by next month. Or atleast this fixed. I have another car so its not to big of a burden.

G8 gets my vote!!

[fenton]

Tell those Honda boys to send you dyno info

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[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Respect you deserve a lot of it man for having the guts to actually go ahead and try all that though I'm really sorry for the loss.


And on to the next one

[mrk1]

Great thread, sorry to hear about the car. Yes this will probably fuel nitrous hatred but in reality its not like a turbo has never blown a motor.

I'm still a fan of the bottle over the other options. And it seems it was the interference from the limiter not so much the nitrous alone that caused the failure.

Good luck on what ever comes next.



PS. "rod goes on vacation" thats a new one, pretty funny

[mrk1]

Originally Posted by Area51

Ok guys, no graph its being emailed an im not able to post up a moment but i do have the info. Base run, 174whp-144tq, next run my 65 shot, 215whp 195 trq and afr pegged in 10's. Here's were fun starts, 100shot!!!! 254whp 250trq, sound pretty badass righ, afr was 11.15. Next run same setup, 5500rpm clutch goes out and a rod goes on vacation. Stock clutch just couldnt take it. Stock tune had zero hiccups. So hope this helps, nitrous with clutch for a 100shot. Now on to different plateform :-)

Do you have an AFR reading from the base line pull?