New F/I option

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

It's bad form. No need to bad mouth other kits that appear better than yours.

Yea, I mean when you have stated that you don't like something, it only needs to be said one time. When you go about it multiple times and posting sarcastic remarks, then really all you are doing is trolling on the thread at that point. State your peace and then get back to worrying about your own setup is the way of a respectable person.

[mact]

I find it funny how people say they don't like the design. If its reliable, produces good power with a good powerband and provides good drivability at a fair price then what's not to like? Is a pretty engine bay that important to you? IMO, the red piping looks awesome.

[tech4pdx]

I THINK this is one of the most attractive turbo setups I have seen and I for one have moved the ptuning kit to the top of my list for potential purchase.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by tech4pdx

I THINK this is one of the most attractive turbo setups I have seen and I for one have moved the ptuning kit to the top of my list for potential purchase.

+1, I'm not one that likes an OEM look. If I spend $5k+ bucks on something, I don't want it to look like it came from the factory, that's just me.

[Derik210]

Originally Posted by mact

I find it funny how people say they don't like the design. If its reliable, produces good power with a good powerband and provides good drivability at a fair price then what's not to like? Is a pretty engine bay that important to you? IMO, the red piping looks awesome.

yeah im loving the red piping too

[TyperRspec789]

Alright guys, I feel like my 3 sentence comment has been blown completely out of proportion. This comment is hopefully going to straighten out everybody's perception of my opinion about this kit. I didn't mean to offend anyone, especially @ptuning with the comment below.

Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

Yeah, nothing better than 3rd party dynos to see if a turbo kit is truly proven. I personally DO NOT like this design.. But that's just my opinion.

To clarify on this, me and @Supermassive were both early adopters of two very different turbo kits back in January, Full Blown and P&L respectively. Both of us knew of all the skepticism on the boards about manufacturer posted dynos. This can be sourced from July/August when Agency Power released suspicious dynos of their exhaust system. Now, this initiated a wave of skepticism when any product came out for our beloved FT86- from airfilters to rear muffler deletes. In summary, 3rd party dynos actually have more "weight" or "value" than the manufacturers released dyno as per the members of this forum. Both me and Supermassive put out our numbers, and we are looking forward to seeing the Ptuning setup in a customer's hands (preferably with a customer who's going to run a Dynojet w/ SAE correction and smoothing of 5).

The reason why I "like" and "don't like" the design and have been perceived to have "flip-flopped" is because I saw Kanundrum's thread the first night it was posted- the thread initially only had the engine bay pics, then it seemed to have updated with undercarriage pics revealing the turbo placement and dump setup. I appreciate how original the design is and how flashy and honestly sexy the intake and intercooler piping is. It's definitely something to show off at a car meet/show. I'm actually jealous of the red and the sizing of the piping. What I don't like is the turbo placement, it's one of the reasons why I didn't go with the Accelerated Performance kit- I feel this weird aura of risk when mounting a turbo there with such a low car. I've personally scraped my frontpipe on a normal speed bump and I got a little pissed about it- I'd be genuinely worried if my turbo kept receiving that kind of force on it. I know this turbo won't get scratched, but it'll receive stress when the frontpipe hits something. THAT'S IT, that's my only "dislike" of this kit. I'm truly appreciative of the originality of its design and can't wait to see it in person!

Originally Posted by ptuning

There sure is a lot of sarcasm and hate coming from you buddy. If it makes you feel any better, I personally DO NOT like what you've done with your car. Just MY opinion.

I appreciate your opinion as long as you understand mine with the above text.

Originally Posted by Floggin Tires

Ooooooooooo I hear a... Dyno Challenge!

Dude! Kanundrum actually texted me to come to Ptuning for a free dyno and I would go if I weren't scheduled to work nightshift tomorrow at Hopkins. I can't say no to something free, but the true expense is the amount of e85 and time I'm going to use getting down there. I think it's like 2-2.5hours away from me. And I feel like I'm driving my old 1996 Explorer when I drive my FRS now.. it SWALLOWS gas. For reference, it used 5 GALLONS when it ran 11 passes and the drag strip... FML

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

People get touchy when their expensive toys get threatened. People with turbo kits are going to be partial to the kit they bought. It is a (often subconscious) way to justify what they bought and assert that they are happy with their choice. Just human nature. It is hard to be truly impartial.

They often over look the positive aspects of new kits or dismiss them all together. For example:
-this kit mounts the heavy parts low to the ground and further back towards the center of the car.
-because of positioning there is no bleed off of heat in the engine bay and the turbo gets plenty of under-car airflow. Belts and accessories mounted at the front of the engine don't suffer.
-no added cost of a turbo manifold
-retains stock cat and O2 location (for some this is important enough to consider it )

For those still looking at FI... there is one more kit in the bull pen. Can't wait to see 3rd party dynos of this kit. Preferably on a dyno jet.

I "thanked" this comment because it had a decent amount of value. To reiterate, it's human nature to support your brand or your team. I've been an Oriole's fan since I was 4, and I've seen them lose for 17 seasons straight until last year. I'm going to support Full Blown because they're my team. Those details you pointed out are highly valid- you've provided a good read for this thread. And yes, please Dynojet SAE, Smoothing-5 to whoever does it.

Originally Posted by mact

So.... which is it? You seemed to have flip-flopped.

Refer to top text. And thanks for pointing that out. I work nightshift and I sometimes get a little disoriented/forgetful when I talk or write something. It made me aware that I needed to clarify something.

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Don't you already have your own setup? So, what difference does it make if you like it or not, you don't plan on buying anyway.

I do have my own setup already, but can't I also have an opinion? So once I buy a turbo kit, I now am unable to construct an opinion on one anymore? The difference is that, I'm actually going to be on the market (again) next year. When my girlfriend graduates, we're trading in her boring ass corolla for either a BRZ limited or FRS convertible (please baby Jesus!).

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I apologize for the misunderstanding everybody. I also want to apologize greatly to @ptuning, because I have unintentionally offended a company that I know has put a great amount of time/effort/sweat into producing this kit. I hope this post is worth people's time.

Sincerely,
Russell

[SnapOv3st3r]

Thanks TyperRspec for clearing up your position. It's respectable.

Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

What I don't like is the turbo placement, it's one of the reasons why I didn't go with the Accelerated Performance kit- I feel this weird aura of risk when mounting a turbo there with such a low car. I've personally scraped my frontpipe on a normal speed bump and I got a little pissed about it- I'd be genuinely worried if my turbo kept receiving that kind of force on it. I know this turbo won't get scratched, but it'll receive stress when the frontpipe hits something. THAT'S IT, that's my only "dislike" of this kit. I'm truly appreciative of the originality of its design and can't wait to see it in person!

PTuning does a lot of their setups in the low mount position because they take a lot of account into center-of-gravity. So, this setup as mentioned places the heavy stuff low and back towards the center of the car. I think it's thought out with the idea of the Race track in mind, given their history of Time Attack success (pretty track focused company). There was a shot of the side of the car from below, and all you saw was the undercarriage of the car and not any turbo components. They looked to be tucked up inside the shroud if you analyze it further. So, I think bottoming out on anything is going to be on the chassis only.

Side benefit of the placement of the turbo is that should you need to service the engine, a few screws from the intercooler couplers would give full access to the topside of the engine (where we spend most of our time). Compared to some of the setups thus far with placing the turbine in front of the belt system/oil filter, I can only speculate how much stuff you are going to have to remove from the turbo setup just to get so little stuff you need to do (Litchfield's setup comes to mind, looks really tight in there). All the bends on the PTuning setup look very minimalisitc.

Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

I do have my own setup already, but can't I also have an opinion? So once I buy a turbo kit, I now am unable to construct an opinion on one anymore? The difference is that, I'm actually going to be on the market (again) next year. When my girlfriend graduates, we're trading in her boring ass corolla for either a BRZ limited or FRS convertible (please baby Jesus!).

I was only responding to a sorta repeat statement of disapproval. Was just saying once was enough.

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Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

I apologize for the misunderstanding everybody. I also want to apologize greatly to @ptuning, because I have unintentionally offended a company that I know has put a great amount of time/effort/sweat into producing this kit. I hope this post is worth people's time.

Sincerely,
Russell

Thanks again Russell, much respect.

[Siberian Husky]

I am pleased with the gentleman-esque nature of this thread.

E-debating, like a Sir!

[ptuning]

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I apologize for the misunderstanding everybody. I also want to apologize greatly to @ptuning, because I have unintentionally offended a company that I know has put a great amount of time/effort/sweat into producing this kit. I hope this post is worth people's time.

Sincerely,
Russell

No worries Russell. Thanks for clarifying things. We're all just here trying do things to improve upon this already excellent platform.

[Coheed]

I tend to favor the designs with short and straight exhaust work, or minimal exhaust where possible. I have found that the design of the exhaust AFTER the turbo has as much or more impact on response than the manifold design or intake piping length. Either design you choose is going to take careful planning to maintain the desired response. I think the AP, D3PE, PT, and FB designs all have their merits. Each one makes good compromise between power output and civility. I really don't think you can go wrong with any design.

I have to give credit where it is due, however. The PT design looks top notch. I love the pipework, and the recirc'd wastegate will keep things pleasant. Oil scavenge pumps and heat issues are the only things that will worry me with the low mount setups. But at least the heat is placed away from the front of the bay where the radiator is. So, like I said, they all have their merits.

But I wouldn't say the setup will be unresponsive simply because the intake tract is lengthy. The effect of a few feet of piping is extremely minimal on the intake side, especially with the size of these turbos! The exhaust is going to have a much larger impact.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Got a ride in it. Pretty street friendly for 300hp. Transient response is NOT worrisome at all; quick boost.

[Coheed]

Another good point of being able to make good power on low boost... shaft speed stays low, which reduces lag.

[diss7]

This kit would be epic with a water to air intercooler on top of the intake manifold, or on the up pipe between the turbo and IM. And if it had a IM like a sti, it wouldn't then need a u-turn into the oem IM.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

AVO is pretty minimal on exhaust too.

Took another look at the Avo kit. The exhaust is minimal as well, difference is the position of the turbo has the exhaust doing a 90° bend off of the turbine compared to P Tuning's straight out exit.