New F/I option

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

People get touchy when their expensive toys get threatened. People with Aftermarket parts are going to be partial to the parts they bought. It is a (often subconscious) way to justify what they bought and assert that they are happy with their choice. Just human nature. It is hard to be truly impartial.

They often over look the positive aspects of new kits or dismiss them all together. For example:
-this kit mounts the heavy parts low to the ground and further back towards the center of the car.
-because of positioning there is no bleed off of heat in the engine bay and the turbo gets plenty of under-car airflow. Belts and accessories mounted at the front of the engine don't suffer.
-no added cost of a turbo manifold
-retains stock cat and O2 location (for some this is important enough to consider it )

For those still looking at FI... there is one more kit in the bull pen. Can't wait to see 3rd party dynos of this kit. Preferably on a dyno jet.

Fixed, I know I'm guilty of favoring P&L at times, but I know the guys, and like the parts. I also do my best to stay out of other vendor threads, and never bash them.

[Supermassive]

I guess my big concern is that when I see all these kits running 7psi and netting between 250-270WHP on 91 octane that I am immediately suspicious when one kit comes out of left field with 30 more WHP than everyone else. I was the same way with Full Blown's claims because they were making about 20HP more than everyone else at 10PSI. Then someone did a 3rd party dyno and I was content. I don't trust the numbers from the people making a part or kit because I feel like a shop trying to promote their product will do their damnedest to make sure they have the highest possible results to promote sales. I'm not saying that they lie...it's just that in a competition with all the other kits available the only way to stick out enough to be noticed is to put down higher numbers than everyone else.

I am partial to my set up, but I am still willing to accept that someone may find a more efficient setup that produces more power with time. Hell I ordered the P&L kit before they had even finished the prototyping. There's bound to be better solutions than what's already available so I may be skeptical of the numbers but I'm not gonna just badmouth a kit on hearsay. The Ptuning kit looks like it uses quality parts, and the piping although odd looks well made.

[Tradewind]

Unique and I quite like it - very well done

With a cold air pick up for the filter it would be right there as totally awesome

[mact]

Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

Yeah, nothing better than 3rd party dynos to see if a turbo kit is truly proven. I personally DO NOT like this design.. But that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

So this kit deletes the stock strut tower bars? I like the design a lot!

So.... which is it? You seemed to have flip-flopped.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by mact

So.... which is it? You seemed to have flip-flopped.

Google search "sarcasm"

[ecko04]

I owned the PTUNING Stage 1 kit for my tC. With the exact same parts, the vehicle made 40 less whp on the PTUNING dyno dynamics than on a mustang dyno in my hometown. I can guarantee that the PTUNING dyno will give you less hp because it's uncorrected and has no 'x' factor. It has been known to humble lesser men...quickly. If it makes xxx whp on their dyno, you can take that to the bank.

I'll stay out of the pissing match though...carry on.

[WorldRallyBlueBRZ]

Ptuning is a very legit company who does a lot of homework and puts a lot of time an effort into things they build. They are not just another manufacturer hoping into the game. I got to see some of the development of this kit. It's pretty awesome to see the step they take in making their turbo kits. They did a pretty awesome kit for the first gen tc also

[mact]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Google search "sarcasm"

Sarcasm meter not that great. Seemed like he was asking a legit question.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

I don't want to drag this thread out, but I am waiting to see customer car results. So far almost every turbo kit makes roughly the same power at certain boost levels on the completely stock engine. This kit also has tons of piping, a longer distance from the exhaust ports to the turbo than the front mount setups, and uses a larger turbo than the quicker spooling turbos in most stage one kits. The math doesn't add up when you look at it like that, but stranger things have happened.

I will patiently wait for them to actually sell these to the public and then see what the average Joe gets from this kit before I make any real judgement about this kit.

I went back to look at the different kit setups and it seems the PTuning kit takes the flip side of the approach compared to the other systems so far.

Every other system is like "Lot of exhaust - short Intercooler pipes".

PTuning's setup is "Short exhaust - longer Intercooler pipes".

Different twist on it, expelling the exhaust gases faster it seems.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

I went back to look at the different kit setups and it seems the PTuning kit takes the flip side of the approach compared to the other systems so far.

Every other system is like "Lot of exhaust - short Intercooler pipes".

PTuning's setup is "Short exhaust - longer Intercooler pipes".

Different twist on it, expelling the exhaust gases faster it seems.

AVO is pretty minimal on exhaust too.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

AVO is pretty minimal on exhaust too.

Yea I knew there was one other, but I couldn't remember which one.

[Pure Automotive]

I love the idea of being able to test different header setups while keeping your turbo! The one thing I covet more than anything else is the ability to use unequal length headers.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

I guess my big concern is that when I see all these kits running 7psi and netting between 250-270WHP on 91 octane that I am immediately suspicious when one kit comes out of left field with 30 more WHP than everyone else. I was the same way with Full Blown's claims because they were making about 20HP more than everyone else at 10PSI. Then someone did a 3rd party dyno and I was content. I don't trust the numbers from the people making a part or kit because I feel like a shop trying to promote their product will do their damnedest to make sure they have the highest possible results to promote sales. I'm not saying that they lie...it's just that in a competition with all the other kits available the only way to stick out enough to be noticed is to put down higher numbers than everyone else.
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Anyone else using a GT3076R in their setups? I'm sure there is someone using one in their Stg. 2 setups and what not with more boost and e85, but this is pump and I don't recall anyone using this turbine on pump at low boost.

Originally Posted by TyperRspec789

Yeah, nothing better than 3rd party dynos to see if a turbo kit is truly proven. I personally DO NOT like this design.. But that's just my opinion.

Don't you already have your own setup? So, what difference does it make if you like it or not, you don't plan on buying anyway.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Anyone else using a GT3076R in their setups? I'm sure there is someone using one in their Stg. 2 setups and what not with more boost and e85, but this is pump and I don't recall anyone using this turbine on pump at low boost.





Don't you already have your own setup? So, what difference does it make if you like it or not, you don't plan on buying anyway.

It's bad form. No need to bad mouth other kits that appear better than yours.