FR-S vs S2000

[Luvzgod]

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-8?redirect=no

I check this website a lot when comparing cars. It to me offers a better estimate of a cars overall performance. It lists the S2000 along with almost all of the cars that a car guy would consider. I feel that the FRS/FT86/BRZ will probably fall into the same area as the as the S2000.

I am pretty sure most of the Internet surfing car guys are already familiar with this website. But, for new guys ENJOY!

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

you missed the point we never said a roadster defines a sports car we think its questionable that someone would compare a roadster to a F1 saying they have more in common or hell even compare a production car to a F1 car is kind of illogical


The CR is a factory released race ready car and will no doubt be more car than the FRS is however the only downside I see is the FRS will have cheaper mods in comparison to the S2k and their hefty price tags for mods.

I was merely comparing the fact that the F1 cars have "OPEN TOPS/COCKPIT" like a roadster. I know damn well that there is no car running around on the streets a 100% like a F1 car.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Luvzgod

I know it's not always about hp; it's important to have a great handling car; but come on a car with 200 hp. I have had wonderful 200hp cars. I loved my Toyota MR2 Turbo; but it was a 1991 model. I loved my Honda Civic Si; but it was a 2000 model. The frs/ft86/brz will be coming out in 2012. Where is the progress? If we spend our 25000 to 30000 dollars on this car when it comes out we are going to be doing good to not get passed by a redneck in his jacked up pickup. The car looks beautiful, it may handle as beautifully as my s2000; but if it's too slow to compete with anything other than miatas, 200 hp vws, and the occasional civic Si, that will be sad. I guess I was just hoping for better.

Sorry for being so long-winded but I have spent way too much time pondering and getting excited about this car. I still hope Toyota surprises us with around 240-260hp and not the reported 200hp.

Since when did em1s have 200hp stock (since we are talking stock brz power in this thread)?

[Levi]

For many reasons the car cannot have more than 200 PS. But if to talk about racing cars, it can change, I really hope the race derivates will have about 250 PS. For example the BMW 320si WWTC had more than 270 PS from its NA 2.0l I4. Now the 320si has more than 300 PS from its FI 1.6l I4.

[Luvzgod]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Since when did em1s have 200hp stock (since we are talking stock brz power in this thread)?

Sorry Dave,
I was just being general... My 2000 Si had been modded heavily. It probably had a better power-to-weight ratio considering all my mods. I really loved my Si. I really really loved my MR2 Turbo. And if I was super rich I would never have gotten rid of either... Nor would I even consider getting rid of my S2K. My dream would be to have a personal track for my buds and I to race at with a couple of ten car garages to store all the cars I love. My dream would be to let all my friends drive their cars and any of mine on my personal track.

I loved my B16/EM1S, and I meant absolutely no disrespect by misrepresenting its HP.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Luvzgod

Sorry Dave,
I was just being general... My 2000 Si had been modded heavily. It probably had a better power-to-weight ratio considering all my mods. I really loved my Si. I really really loved my MR2 Turbo. And if I was super rich I would never have gotten rid of either... Nor would I even consider getting rid of my S2K. My dream would be to have a personal track for my buds and I to race at with a couple of ten car garages to store all the cars I love. My dream would be to let all my friends drive their cars and any of mine on my personal track.

I loved my B16/EM1S, and I meant absolutely no disrespect by misrepresenting its HP.

It's all good, just making sure you weren't smoking crack

MR2T > EM1 any day of the week though I almost picked up a 80K mile great stock black Turbo 6 months or so ago, a black/tan car..

[Luvzgod]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

It's all good, just making sure you weren't smoking crack

MR2T > EM1 any day of the week though I almost picked up a 80K mile great stock black Turbo 6 months or so ago, a black/tan car..

MR2T is a beast w/ slight mods. Mid-engine, RWD, 200hp, 200tq, plenty of leg room, trunk was perfect for my duffle bag/gym bag, power slides anytime on demand, loved my t-tops, etc.

Black w/tan interior is my favorite. I had white w/black leather. I hate the blue interior.

I had TRD springs, TRD short shifter, 18" konigs, Garage Fuki (ignore spelling)exhaust, Turbo XS blow off valve. I loved that car like no other. I know my S2K is better but the torque in that thing made it so much fun. And the styling made car ignorant people think you had a Ferrari. And people who know cars had respect for it too.

Hopefully Toyota's making another classic.

[cassidy0998]

I have to admit that I, like many others, am concerned with the "lacking power" that will be offered in the FR-S, FT-86, BRZ. But I KNOW I KNOW.. this is going to be a driver's car. It's supposed to make you have an unbelievable magical driving experience and if I want hp I should go buy a Mustang. I've heard it a million times.

That's cool and all, but it really better be that fun. I respect S2000s, RX-8s, and Miatas for what they were designed to do, and I'm sure the FT-86 will fall into similar performance categories as these cars. I have recently been kicking around picking up a used S2000 if the FR-S/BRZ doesn't look like it will be the car for me. However, I love the fact that the FR-S/BRZ will have 4 seats. That in itself sets it apart from the S2000.

One of the main things that will win me over from just going with a used S2000 is mpg. I know us car nuts aren't supposed to care too much about that. But with most of us wanting the FR-S for daily driving and practicability, I believe that it is a worthy factor to consider.

It's a simple fact that the S2000 gets pretty bad mpg. 18 city and 25 hwy. I know the S2000 is a sporty fun little car, but that isn't that great at all, almost in RX-8 mpg territory. If the FT-86/FR-S/BRZ is able to perform fairly closely to the S2000, AND gets much better mpg, I think I'll go with the Toyota/Subaru.

[vang]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

I have to admit that I, like many others, am concerned with the "lacking power" that will be offered in the FR-S, FT-86, BRZ. But I KNOW I KNOW.. this is going to be a driver's car. It's supposed to make you have an unbelievable magical driving experience and if I want hp I should go buy a Mustang. I've heard it a million times.

That's cool and all, but it really better be that fun. I respect S2000s, RX-8s, and Miatas for what they were designed to do, and I'm sure the FT-86 will fall into similar performance categories as these cars. I have recently been kicking around picking up a used S2000 if the FR-S/BRZ doesn't look like it will be the car for me. However, I love the fact that the FR-S/BRZ will have 4 seats. That in itself sets it apart from the S2000.

One of the main things that will win me over from just going with a used S2000 is mpg. I know us car nuts aren't supposed to care too much about that. But with most of us wanting the FR-S for daily driving and practicability, I believe that it is a worthy factor to consider.

It's a simple fact that the S2000 gets pretty bad mpg. 18 city and 25 hwy. I know the S2000 is a sporty fun little car, but that isn't that great at all, almost in RX-8 mpg territory. If the FT-86/FR-S/BRZ is able to perform fairly closely to the S2000, AND gets much better mpg, I think I'll go with the Toyota/Subaru.

I definitely agree with you. My expectation is that the FT86 will be THAT fun, enough to make me downgrade in power as a trade-off for better MPG and rear seating. I'll admit, I am a little surprised to find that I average about 20 MPG city (maybe I'm in VTEC too much???) in my 2003 S2000 while my 1991 MR2 Turbo will consistently give me around 25 MPG city without driving like a grandma. Over 10 yrs difference in technology, but the Toyota can still hand the Honda its ass in fuel economy, WTF?

I try not to think about how slow the FT86 will be due to low power output because that wasn't its purpose. You can easily have a used STi/Evo/Supra TT to satisfy your speed needs. However, I will promise you that those cars will not feel as crisp, will not feel like a "Man in dandism" - mature sporty personal, more innovation more adult, a man in dandism, [powered midship speciality].

[cassidy0998]

@ vang,

Well said sir. I sold my 91 MR2 Turbo about a year ago and I LOVED it. I too got around 24-25mpg while having some fun - It had several upgrades as well. I Have a '94 TT (APU) Supra now and it simply doesn't fit me. It's a big bulky car that's fun on the highway, but that's about it, and even that is getting old. I'm ready for a change. I want something that I can feel connected to and have fun with in a safe way. And I'd love to get into autox!

[random]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

I have to admit that I, like many others, am concerned with the "lacking power" that will be offered in the FR-S, FT-86, BRZ. But I KNOW I KNOW.. this is going to be a driver's car. It's supposed to make you have an unbelievable magical driving experience and if I want hp I should go buy a Mustang. I've heard it a million times.

I also have this concern about lacking in power, but in a slightly different way. I suspect that the FR-S will be similar to the S2000 for daily driving. Specifically, unless you gun it, healthy teenagers on BMX bikes will be able to out accelerate you from a dead stop.

In an S2000, one already has to give what I think is more than enough healthy acceleration to get ahead of those psychotic Honda Odysseys and (V6) Accords out there. Similarly, the FR-S is going to be challenged by all those Siennas and (V6) Camrys.

Yes, I know this is irrational, and in no way am I suggesting that drag racing on the street should be allowed. But come now... healthy+teenager+bike.

[Dave-ROR]

Healthy teenagers no longer exist thanks to fast food

[serialk11r]

Unless you dump the clutch, bike initial acceleration > manual transmission car. I'm not exactly healthy and I could out accelerate any car on the street from a dead stop with a road bike in relatively high gear. Of course that lead gets eaten up in about half a second but that's besides the point. If you have auto and you mash the gas then yea you beat the bike, but no one wants to embarass themselves by making the tires chirp and look like an ass.

[random]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Healthy teenagers no longer exist thanks to fast food

Touche.

On second thought, the FT-S may not be too bad compared to the S2000 for acceleration in daily driving. According to data in press releases, it will have slightly more torque than an S2000, and its curb weight is noticeably less too.