304 SS rusting in two weeks?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by jr429

Actually I believe those TW rolled tips actually come from Ningbo. Very few TW companies actually mfg in Taiwan these days

Not USA, then. They named exactly where they came from I just don't remember or feel like looking.

It's possible they even have USA-sourced ones by now, as 100% US seems to be a pretty important target for Nameless.

[jr429]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Not USA, then. They named exactly where they came from I just don't remember or feel like looking.

It's possible they even have USA-sourced ones by now, as 100% US seems to be a pretty important target for Nameless.

If you're cool with MIG welds and made in USA is really important for you then that's your call.

This is what one of my ventures has done overseas in the past and on a bad day. Honestly no one is getting awards for that weld, but this is a production model not a show-piece. That's seamless 1.0mm gr2 Ti with CNC machined billet 8mm thick flanges. Before we built a rotisserie it takes a welder 3 hours to do those 4 welds due to encapsulated argon gas.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by jr429

If you're cool with MIG welds and made in USA is really important for you then that's your call.

This is what one of my ventures has done overseas in the past and on a bad day. Honestly no one is getting awards for that weld, but this is a production model not a show-piece. That's seamless 1.0mm gr2 Ti with CNC machined billet 8mm thick flanges. Before we built a rotisserie it takes a welder 3 hours to do those 4 welds due to encapsulated argon gas.

MIG, where? You are maybe confusing Nameless with Perrin or Borla.

Your ti piece has a few spots where gas coverage is incomplete, and the pie cut bend is pretty awful in terms of radius.

Grade 2 is nothing to get excited about, either.

Not something I would put on my car. Even if it is titanium.

[Anorax]

Cleaned tips with Eagle One Nev'r Dull.

Seems to have done a good job.

We'll see how long it lasts.

Also e-mailed the manufacturer directly asking for their input on how this is even possible in 2 weeks.

To be continued...

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Anorax

Cleaned tips with Eagle One Nev'r Dull.

Seems to have done a good job.

We'll see how long it lasts.

Also e-mailed the manufacturer directly asking for their input on how this is even possible in 2 weeks.

To be continued...

Have an after pic?

(Sorry about the threadjack, heh...)

[TeamZleep]

More interested in who's exhaust this is and how the remedy goes instead of some material origin/quality/engineering/welding pissing contest.

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by jr429

If you're cool with MIG welds and made in USA is really important for you then that's your call.

This is what one of my ventures has done overseas in the past and on a bad day. Honestly no one is getting awards for that weld, but this is a production model not a show-piece. That's seamless 1.0mm gr2 Ti with CNC machined billet 8mm thick flanges. Before we built a rotisserie it takes a welder 3 hours to do those 4 welds due to encapsulated argon gas.

to be honest, that weld didnt look too bad from the picture. I might be able to find something once i look at the part in person. but not that bad.

at least it looks much better than that HKS exahust with a hole that someone else posted a week ago.

[jr429]

Originally Posted by Dimman

MIG, where? You are maybe confusing Nameless with Perrin or Borla.

Your ti piece has a few spots where gas coverage is incomplete, and the pie cut bend is pretty awful in terms of radius.

Grade 2 is nothing to get excited about, either.

Not something I would put on my car. Even if it is titanium.

No doubt - what you get for building a $288 BOM cost titanium exhaust complete with resonator.

I'd love to see some after pics also!

Gonna stop talking here, not the right venue to get into material sourcing / mfg debate.

[Anorax]

I'll get some after pics tomorrow when its daylight.

[shu5892001]

Nothing wrong with company outsourcing stuff from China as long as it's good quality IMO

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by jr429

We are certainly getting way off topic here.



To claim that less than half the components of any modern automobile don't come from China is simply naivete and ignorance. Even more advanced materials such as turbine and compressor wheels for automobiles are today produced in China, some machined and inspected in Japan (such as IHI or Garrett) and then sold as made in XXX. Even in the aerospace business much of the components outsourced to Japan originated from China, do you think the majority of the dreamliner components are made stateside? I argue no. Of course you still have defense related components built mostly here in the US, but I guess that's where you get what you pay for with a P&W F135 reportedly costing more than $30 mil/unit. Your average consumer good is made in China and consumers prefer to pay much less for a slightly shittier product than much more for a slightly better product.

I will simply ignore your attempt to disqualify me by saying I have no idea what I'm talking about...it was pointless and unfounded anyway.

There are however some HALF-truths in your statement, you also seem to not have a clear hold on the difference between manufactring/producing/machining/casting/forging etc... or you are unclear language (like alot of dishonest manufacturers) to make a stronger argument.

1stly I never have and never will make commercial airplane parts.

2ndly ofcourse the dreamliner isn't mostly made stateside...that's why it barely made it into the fleets and won't stay for long...next (also why cost was so high initially since NOTHING FIT)


3rd...you still haven't told us of this great company you run....

Honeywell moving to China was the single largest mistake they have made...ask them how that has played out so far and what their rejection rate is on those...but hey atleast the knockoff turbo's are getting better due to the direct exposure to the tollerancing and engineering.


I get that you tell yourself things so you can sleep at night, but that doesn't make them true.
You don't like keeping jobs in America...good for you I guess...trying to come in here and talk to people like they are stupid because your decision was better for your wallet, and now you have all this time on your hands because you can't sleep at night, isn't changing anything.

I understand far more than you do about manufacturing laws and what you can do to make a product "made in the usa" without actually doing much of the manufacturing in the states. I have read the documentation.

It's nice to see you don't value craftsmanship or technology with your little smirk about the F135...also shows you wear you lack of industry experience on your sleeve/forehead....

BTW that TI welding is a joke, horrible flow thru that nasty radius, poor bead consistency and you need a real welder if that time quote is correct....if that's the type of US labor you are familiar with no wonder you have no clue how to get things made here.


BTW the responses I originally stated were quite on topic before you came in waving the Chinese flag

[MotivConcepts]

Originally Posted by jr429

Come on, tell me one automotive company that builds 100% in the states. Please... What industry are you in? Wishful thinking is incongruent with reality.

I see that you're in Tustin. You are more than welcome to stop by our facility to see that our products are 100% made in the USA. Every inch of 304 SS that comes through our facility is sourced from America (RathGibson), our flanges are cut by Precision Waterjet in California, as well as the raw material is sourced from within America. Our tips, mufflers, everything is rolled in house from material sourced in California.

Our doors are always opened to the public, and those that have stopped by see that everything we do is in house and not a single thing comes from overseas. Not even our brackets, those are laser cut in California... even our tags are.

[ayba performance]

Back OT

It appears that it was a surface contaminant and the op was able to polish it out.

That being said the material probably isn't ideal in this application and the manufacturer should consider possibly revising the design.

For future maintenance I recommend the OP polish them completely, wipe them down with a cotton cloth and alcohol and then apply a surface protectant designed for stainless steel. There are many types but even Rutsoleums works fairly well for exhaust tips on NA street cars. I would not use it on exhaust piping or tips for race and or turbo vehicles. I would look into ceramics for those.



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[Anorax]

Don't buy Works.