Having an extremely tough time deciding...

[SUB-FT86]

The only people who will love the FRS is the people not seeking 300whp+ for 4k. The aftermarket will be stronger for those content with only wanting a extra 20-40 chp like me.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I've seen a lot of both either SC or Turbo. I can't say what percentage it is, but I'd guess it's around the same percentage that extensively modify any car.

Do you know how much they spent on their setup?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

How many S2K and miatas have aftermarket turbocharged engines? I bet it's less than 5%. Most of those guys do bolt on mods and the GC V6 is in the same boat. The 2.0t have stage upgrades and other stuff available.

You are joking right? So, your summation of having an aftermarket is the # of turbo engines users have? As Dave said, there are PLENTY of F/I applications for the S2k. And there are turbo Miata's as well as Supercharged ones hitting the track all the time. I think you need to do a little more research.

You could fit the size of the GC's Aftermarket parts (2.0T and V6) inside of the aftermarket backing for the Scion tC. It's just not there bro. The Stage upgrades for the 2.0t....really? What's the highest hp a 2.0t Stage takes you up to?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Do you know how much they spent on their setup?

For S2ks just for boost the cheapest I've seen was a home built setup with around 1500 in parts (I could be off on this price, that's the number I recall but it's been many many years). Most are running the kits that were anywhere from 3.5-5k IIRC (it's been 2.5 years or so since I've been involved with S2000s).

Miatas can be done anywhere from very cheap (junkyard setups, home built setups) to very expensive (5k or whatever they are these days flying miata setups). The cheapest good setup I've seen on a Miata was a homemade water to air IC, junkyard but rebuilt turbo and one of the cheap EMS systems (I can't remember which). Made about 250 at the wheels and total cost was ~1200 including all the piping, etc. All home bent/welded, etc.

[ARDMOREFRS]

Originally Posted by subatoy

oh boy!
obviously you are a magazine racer and mostly care about the numbers.
I can't believe that people compair the FRS/BRZ to a Hyundai
which lacks built quality, built by company that has pretty much NO
sports car experience.
the Genesis doesn't handle well, let alone compared to what this subatoy will handle.
resale value on a genesis will be junk, I'm pretty sure the subatoy
will hold it's value really well.

The sole purpose of this car was to satisfy the driver's needs/wants.
I truly hope that people with your mentality NEVER buy a BRZ/FRS.
please buy a Genesis.

Holy crap do i agree with this 110%. Firstly go buy your Sega Genesis. Oh i have 350hp or whatever it is. Yea 350 by itself is a useless spec. The important spec is power to weight ratio. The frs is pushing 200hp on a car that is under 3000 lbs. genesis much more than that. How will the genesis handle. Let see..... Like shit. There isnt a stock car under 60k that can handle like an frs/brz. So go back to playing need for speed on playstation and leave the real cars to the real men. (Need for Speed is such a great franchise lol).

[MissNyxxie]

SUBARU BOXER ENGINE. Need I say more?

Don't look at the numbers. Go test drive the car!