Hawk Blue 9012 Race Pads - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

sw20kosh · 02-13-2013, 01:05 AM

I have these sitting here ready to go in. Could I run these in the fronts without changing the rears? Would that be a really bad idea? This is for HPDE. I am very naive when it comes to brakes.

If not, what rear pads would you run. HP+?

CSG Mike · 02-13-2013, 03:08 AM

I would recommend you use DTC60/70 instead. Blue's are corrosive, and you're gonna get a very lovely etching on your wheels that you won't be able to get off. The DTC are superior in pretty much every way to the Blue.

Use the same compound front and rear.

We carry pads that are easy to clean up after if that's a concern.

rice_classic · 02-13-2013, 03:42 AM

Please please listen to Mike on this one. DTC's are far superior.

Maybe a DTC30 for the rear or even the HP+

sw20kosh · 02-13-2013, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I would recommend you use DTC60/70 instead. Blue's are corrosive, and you're gonna get a very lovely etching on your wheels that you won't be able to get off. The DTC are superior in pretty much every way to the Blue.

Use the same compound front and rear.

We carry pads that are easy to clean up after if that's a concern.

Thanks for the advice! Didn't know they were corrosive!

JRitt · 02-13-2013, 10:06 AM

Mike is right. Hawk Blue is great for scrubbing pad material off of a disc. In my opinion, that's about it. They are old technology. The newer DTC compounds from Hawk are better in every practical manner.

invisage · 02-13-2013, 11:46 AM

How about hawk hp+ on the fronts and hps on the back? Was thinking this along with some motul brake fluid and braided lines just for an initial upgrade until I go FI and then would consider BBK.

agray56 · 02-13-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by invisage

How about hawk hp+ on the fronts and hps on the back? Was thinking this along with some motul brake fluid and braided lines just for an initial upgrade until I go FI and then would consider BBK.

Thats the combo I run on my Mustang for Autocross and track time and it works well. It should work well on these cars seeing as though they are quite a bit lighter, but the HP+ in particular is quite dusty.

CSG Mike · 02-13-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by invisage

How about hawk hp+ on the fronts and hps on the back? Was thinking this along with some motul brake fluid and braided lines just for an initial upgrade until I go FI and then would consider BBK.

It really depends on how quick you are. If the HP+ is the most aggressive pad you've ever used, it'll probably work great for you at this point. However, if you're experienced, I'd point you straight to the Hawk DTC series.

We have a lot of local guys that are running Carbotech XP8 or XP10 for mixed duty. It's technically race pad, but works just fine for street use. Properly bedded, noise is non-existent, and the only real downside is dust; all pads with good bite dust.

I run race pads on my car year-round.

Dave-ROR · 02-13-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Thanks for the advice! Didn't know they were corrosive!

Blue's are death to.. everything. I used to LOVE blues and ran them for years.

My white GS-R was also pinkish/rustish because of them.

invisage · 02-13-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

It really depends on how quick you are. If the HP+ is the most aggressive pad you've ever used, it'll probably work great for you at this point. However, if you're experienced, I'd point you straight to the Hawk DTC series.

We have a lot of local guys that are running Carbotech XP8 or XP10 for mixed duty. It's technically race pad, but works just fine for street use. Properly bedded, noise is non-existent, and the only real downside is dust; all pads with good bite dust.

I run race pads on my car year-round.

Did my first ever track day last week and going for another one tomorrow. So far tyres are my biggest issue as I am still on stock but I have yet to decide on knew wheels so don't want to for out for new tyres yet. But I started to use my brakes more into the day as I was advised and was then that I started to notice a bit of fade so paint me inexperienced

CSG Mike · 02-13-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by invisage

Did my first ever track day last week and going for another one tomorrow. So far tyres are my biggest issue as I am still on stock but I have yet to decide on knew wheels so don't want to for out for new tyres yet. But I started to use my brakes more into the day as I was advised and was then that I started to notice a bit of fade so paint me inexperienced

The HP+ will be perfect then. I'd recommend you transition to a more aggressive pad after you finish off that first set. It'll take you a while to finish them unless you start fading them.

King Tut · 02-13-2013, 03:10 PM

I agree with all the comments. The SpecE30 guys used to love the Blues, but they are very old now, and the DTCs are the way to go if you are looking for a full track pad. If you don't plan to swap out pads after your track weekend, then stick with the HP+s, but I would still advise you to make sure you clean your wheels after each track day as they can still ruin your wheels. I did all my HPDE weekends on HP+s before getting my racing license and changing to the DTCs.

CSG Mike · 02-13-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

I agree with all the comments. The SpecE30 guys used to love the Blues, but they are very old now, and the DTCs are the way to go if you are looking for a full track pad. If you don't plan to swap out pads after your track weekend, then stick with the HP+s, but I would still advise you to make sure you clean your wheels after each track day as they can still ruin your wheels. I did all my HPDE weekends on HP+s before getting my racing license and changing to the DTCs.

I've daily driven on DTCs before. No noise when properly bedded!

rice_classic · 02-13-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I've daily driven on DTCs before. No noise when properly bedded!

The real problem is getting them out of bed! Suckers are clingy! It's always about "them".

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sw20kosh Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Black FR-S Location: SF Posts: 3,030 Thanks: 881 Thanked 2,014 Times in 990 Posts Mentioned: 153 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Hawk Blue 9012 Race Pads I have these sitting here ready to go in. Could I run these in the fronts without changing the rears? Would that be a really bad idea? This is for HPDE. I am very naive when it comes to brakes. If not, what rear pads would you run. HP+?

02-13-2013, 03:42 AM	#3
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