Auto transmission, really that slow?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

Final drive changes should give these cars some more pep, but it will definitely have some negative consequences on the speedo and had milage. I'd still love to see what sort of benefits it would bring though.

Nope, speed is taken from the ABS sensors.
Be sure to checkout Racecomp's thread about swapping to 4.55 gears.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27647

Originally Posted by mechaghost

Actually the A/T gets better mileage than the MT. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12715

That's not a fact in the real world. I've seen MT guys reporting similar numbers to the AT guys.

If the AT is faster and /or more efficient for you, that's fine, but for everyone else your mileage may vary(ymmv).

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Nope, speed is taken from the ABS sensors.
Be sure to checkout Racecomp's thread about swapping to 4.55 gears.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27647



That's not a fact in the real world. I've seen MT guys reporting similar numbers to the AT guys.

If the AT is faster and /or more efficient for you, that's fine, but for everyone else your mileage may vary(ymmv).

Yes, mileage can vary wildly between drivers, habits, gas, conditions, ect. but the earlier point that the EPA has agreed to is that in the case of the FRS/BRZ/GT86, in testing the AT gets better mileage.

Anyone who has spent any kind of time around cars knows that this is as surprising as it is counterintuitive but unless someone is ready to stand up and call B.S. to the manufacturer and testing agencies, his statement stands.

Scott

[rhood168]

Paddle shifters are faster, depends on driver but it has been proven ....Yeah I went there. Come at me bro

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[husker741]

Originally Posted by rhood168

Paddle shifters are faster, depends on driver but it has been proven ....Yeah I went there. Come at me bro

>.>

Oh shit.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by naikaidriver

Yes, mileage can vary wildly between drivers, habits, gas, conditions, ect. but the earlier point that the EPA has agreed to is that in the case of the FRS/BRZ/GT86, in testing the AT gets better mileage.

Anyone who has spent any kind of time around cars knows that this is as surprising as it is counterintuitive but unless someone is ready to stand up and call B.S. to the manufacturer and testing agencies, his statement stands.

Scott

AT numbers have been doing better than MT numbers on the EPA "test" for years thanks to programming specifically for the test. Manufacturers can either program for the numbers or they can program for the real world. It's pretty well known to be a bunch of .

As for the Twins, MT and AT are getting similar numbers under real world conditions, despite the AT having better gearing. Nothing new here.

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

AT numbers have been doing better than MT numbers on the EPA "test" for years thanks to programming specifically for the test. Manufacturers can either program for the numbers or they can program for the real world. It's pretty well known to be a bunch of .

As for the Twins, MT and AT are getting similar numbers under real world conditions, despite the AT having better gearing. Nothing new here.

I have no interest in turning this conversation into yet another "Who has the Biggest Internet Gentleman Sausage" so unless you have some empirical data that contradicts a manufacturer or official testing authority... like you said, nothing new here.


Scott

[rhood168]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

AT numbers have been doing better than MT numbers on the EPA "test" for years thanks to programming specifically for the test. Manufacturers can either program for the numbers or they can program for the real world. It's pretty well known to be a bunch of .

As for the Twins, MT and AT are getting similar numbers under real world conditions, despite the AT having better gearing. Nothing new here.

Honestly your completely right, you either want MT for the clutch or AT for the convenience. AT feels just like MT due to the paddle shifters and it is just as enjoyable. Set it to manual when you feel like being cool and regular when you don't. You don't have to use the shifters though you can use the stick to change gears up or down. For the money this cars worth the "tiptronic" is really great and reliable.

Point I am trying to make same crap with AT being a little better if you hate being stuck in traffic or a hill with MT. They will pull the same if the AT is on manual mode.

[Dave-ROR]

So is there a point to this thread besides rehashing the AT vs MT arguement?

Everyone will pick their preference based on what they want to drive and what's most important to them.

Outside of the subjective stuff, objectively the AT has taller gears. Good for cruising, bad for accel in most speed ranges. Fuel economy in practice has been more or less a wash. So pick whatever you want.

[husker741]

The point to the thread was to see what people were seeing for acceleration in daily driving, rather than magazine times. I was seeing if I wanted to get the AT or the MT and I have chosen the MT. That's all it was meant for.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by husker741

The point to the thread was to see what people were seeing for acceleration in daily driving, rather than magazine times. I was seeing if I wanted to get the AT or the MT and I have chosen the MT. That's all it was meant for.

Understood. I meant what it turned in to.

I doubt many here have actually timed their 0-60. I know I haven't, it's not why I drive this car

[husker741]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Understood. I meant what it turned in to.

I doubt many here have actually timed their 0-60. I know I haven't, it's not why I drive this car

Yeah, I didn't expect many people to do that. The most helpful post in this thread was the video of the AT vs. the MT. That solved it for me.

[invisage]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

So is there a point to this thread besides rehashing the AT vs MT arguement?

Everyone will pick their preference based on what they want to drive and what's most important to them.

Outside of the subjective stuff, objectively the AT has taller gears. Good for cruising, bad for accel in most speed ranges. Fuel economy in practice has been more or less a wash. So pick whatever you want.

I thought this thread was about the fact my at is slower in acceleration to a mt and possible mods to change that... At least that was where this thread was at on the first page

[whataboutbob]

I managed a faster time in autox X runs last weekend in an AT than more than one MT in CS/RTR and STX. Unfortunately my STX runs weren't as fast.