Perrins new CAI vs Perrin drop in filter. Thoughts?

[NickFRS]

Also watched @digital_assassin install his today. Sounds good but idk if I could justify it just for the sound and milliseconds of throttle response. I already purchased the light weight crank pulley and drop in filter for that reason. I don't see how the cai would change much more. I'm thinkin about ordering the silicone tube though. I'd like to see some more dyno data before I start throwing more money at Perrin.

[ShoNUFF]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

Also watched @digital_assassin install his today. Sounds good but idk if I could justify it just for the sound and milliseconds of throttle response. I already purchased the light weight crank pulley and drop in filter for that reason. I don't see how the cai would change much more. I'm thinkin about ordering the silicone tube though. I'd like to see some more dyno data before I start throwing more money at Perrin.

Nick, how did the car feel after the drop in and crank pulley??

I'm about to order this same combo myself.

Was it worth it?

Was there a considerable difference in power/ response?

[digital_assassin]

Installed!

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by ShoNUFF

Nick, how did the car feel after the drop in and crank pulley??

I'm about to order this same combo myself.

Was it worth it?

Was there a considerable difference in power/ response?

There was decently a difference in response and power seemed a little better but not much of a difference. The biggest thing is the tune which i'll be getting with tax returns. Blipping to downshift decently is smoother now though and 3rd and 4th feel more friendly. Also can't wait to get my nameless exhaust...

[ChaChas345]

Originally Posted by Dimman

But it's also losing ~5whp in the 2500-3000 rpm range. And it only has gains in half the dip. The drop in filter makes gains everywhere.

How do you know thats 5 whp? It looks pretty darn close to stock to me or close to it. If it was losing 5 whp you would see a gap like how you see the 4 whp gained at its higher rpms.. You dont know how the other runs did or if it just happened on this run. Besides I am sure they designed the CAI to be used exclusively with the tubing they also sell but made it more accessable to people who dont care to spend 140 more dollars on that.

And your telling me if you get a header back or any other mods you only plan to use a drop in filter? Read Perrins posts they said somewhere in their threads that they got 4 whp gaiend just from the silicone tube. If anyone who plans to get the CAI they might as well also get the tubing and replace the stock one. It might be like that with the stock tubing but it would probably be smoother with the tubing Perrin makes optional for your intake. They probably designed the intake with that in mind and just made it in 2 pieces so people could decide if they wanted the full thing or be ok with keeping the stock tube.

Obviously it would be better with the silicone tube and I dont see why anyone would skip on that if they get this. I like how Perrin made it optional though so it could be affordable to a wider market. Even without the tube it is still a great intake versus all the other ones on the market.

If you dont plan to do anything else to your car get the drop in filter. If you plan to add other mods which a big number of people on these forums probably will end up doing. Get the CAI/Tubing as it will make the engine breathe, better throttle response, and more gains. Anyone can see that a header back would benefit more if the engine was breathing easier and getting cooler air.

Originally Posted by sho220

Isn't leaning out the AFR essentially what all aftermarket intakes are trying to accomplish? Unless you get a tune to go with it...?

You can buy a 50 dollar chip on ebay that leans out your AFR that will also give you more power but honestly would you do that? Its bad for your car unless it is tuned which is why they havent released the other intake they have for people who plan to tune their cars. Their blog explains it very well in their part one post for the CAI. Their CAI's AFR is very similar to the stock AFR. Not every company can claim that. Which is also why AEM has a little piggy pack thing for their CAI because of this.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ChaChas345

So your telling me if you get a header back you only plan to use a drop in filter? Read Perrins posts they said somewhere in their threads that they got 4 whp gaiend just from the silicone tube. If anyone who plans to get the CAI they might as well also get the tubing and replace the stock one. It might be like that with the stock tubing but it would probably be smoother with the tubing Perrin makes optional for your intake. They probably designed the intake with that in mind and just made it in 2 pieces so people could decide if they wanted the full thing or be ok with keeping the stock tube.

Obviously it would be better with the silicone tube and I dont see why anyone would skip on that if they get this. I like how Perrin made it optional though so it could be affordable to a wider market. Even without the tube it is still a great intake versus all the other ones on the market.

If you dont plan to do anything else to your car get the drop in filter. If you plan to add other mods which a big number of people on these forums probably will end up doing. Get the CAI/Tubing as it will make the engine breathe, better throttle response, and more gains. Anyone can see that a header back would benefit more if the engine was breathing easier and getting cooler air.



You can buy a 50 dollar chip on ebay that leans out your AFR that will also give you more power but honestly would you do that? Its bad for your car unless it is tuned which is why they havent released the other intake they have for people who plan to tune their cars. Their blog explains it very well in their part one post for the CAI. Their CAI's AFR is very similar to the stock AFR. Not every company can claim that. Which is also why AEM has a little piggy pack thing for their CAI because of this.

What I'm saying is Perrin's own dyno of the more expensive CAI shows a LOSS, while the drop in filter doesn't.

And now you're saying you need the CAI AND the silicone tube? What's the combined cost on those?

[ChaChas345]

Originally Posted by Dimman

What I'm saying is Perrin's own dyno of the more expensive CAI shows a LOSS, while the drop in filter doesn't.

And now you're saying you need the CAI AND the silicone tube? What's the combined cost on those?

Do you see them using the stock orchodion tube on their car at sema? You honestly think they really designed the CAI to be used with just the OEM tubing? They made this intake possible for people to buy in 2 parts if they want or just 1 if they really dont care. But I doubt they designed it without the silicone tubing in mind.. Notice how they both were released 1 after another in a small time frame.

450 is not a lot to spend on a CAI. Do you know how much more other high end intakes cost compared to this? 450 honestly is nothing compared to the other ones. If your going to get into modding your car I do hope 150 dollars isnt holdign you back on making a purchase. Other intakes on the market cost nearly around the same a little more or less and some even cost way more than that.

ARK induction box is 650, Syms Racing Intake duct is 1300, Revo x Gruppe M is 2300. This is nothing compared to those intakes. AFE Takeda/Greddy cost 350-420 on some sites that gets around the same amount of gains that the Perrin gets without the silicone tubing. Those intakes I mentioned are expensive. Perrins isnt. You could get an Injen intake for about the same price of just the CAI. But you really gonna risk leaning out your cars AFR for a little more power which could be harmful to your engine?

Stop acting like 140 dollars is anything. If your getting into modding cars or buy parts for cars you shouldnt be making a big deal over such a little difference in cost for quality.

I bet most people are going to be doing other mods to their cars. If you plan to if you get a Drop in filter your just going to end up changing that in the future. Unless you get a turbo or s/c then you get that. Unless you plan to keep it stock then just change the drop in.

Edit: And btw how do you know how the other runs did? Maybe this could of jsut been a hiccup. I dont know what your looking at but I dont see a loss. I just see the graph showing near stock levels of power at 3500 rpm's. If their was a loss you would see a gap and I dont.

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by ChaChas345

Do you see them using the stock orchodion tube on their car at sema? You honestly think they really designed the CAI to be used with just the OEM tubing? They made this intake possible for people to buy in 2 parts if they want or just 1 if they really dont care. But I doubt they designed it without the silicone tubing in mind.. Notice how they both were released 1 after another in a small time frame.

450 is not a lot to spend on a CAI. Do you know how much more other high end intakes cost compared to this? 450 honestly is nothing compared to the other ones. If your going to get into modding your car I do hope 150 dollars isnt holdign you back on making a purchase. Other intakes on the market cost nearly around the same a little more or less and some even cost way more than that.

ARK induction box is 650, Syms Racing Intake duct is 1300, Revo x Gruppe M is 2300. This is nothing compared to those intakes. AFE Takeda/Greddy cost 350-420 on some sites that gets around the same amount of gains that the Perrin gets without the silicone tubing. Those intakes I mentioned are expensive. Perrins isnt.

Stop acting like 140 dollars is anything. If your getting into modding cars or buy parts for cars you shouldnt be making a big deal over such a little difference in cost for quality.

I bet most people are going to be doing other mods to their cars. If you plan to if you get a Drop in filter your just going to end up changing that in the future. Unless you get a turbo or s/c then you get that. Unless you plan to keep it stock then just change the drop in.

The aFe Takeda is $300 for the FULL SETUP. Proven performance, great design. If you enjoy $150 extra dollars for a Perrin name slapped on it, more power to you.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ChaChas345

Do you see them using the stock orchodion tube on their car at sema? You honestly think they really designed the CAI to be used with just the OEM tubing? They made this intake possible for people to buy in 2 parts if they want or just 1 if they really dont care. But I doubt they designed it without the silicone tubing in mind.. Notice how they both were released 1 after another in a small time frame.

450 is not a lot to spend on a CAI. Do you know how much more other high end intakes cost compared to this? 450 honestly is nothing compared to the other ones. If your going to get into modding your car I do hope 150 dollars isnt holdign you back on making a purchase. Other intakes on the market cost nearly around the same a little more or less and some even cost way more than that.

ARK induction box is 650, Syms Racing Intake duct is 1300, Revo x Gruppe M is 2300. This is nothing compared to those intakes. AFE Takeda/Greddy cost 350-420 on some sites that gets around the same amount of gains that the Perrin gets without the silicone tubing. Those intakes I mentioned are expensive. Perrins isnt.

Stop acting like 140 dollars is anything. If your getting into modding cars or buy parts for cars you shouldnt be making a big deal over such a little difference in cost for quality.

I bet most people are going to be doing other mods to their cars. If you plan to if you get a Drop in filter your just going to end up changing that in the future. Unless you get a turbo or s/c then you get that. Unless you plan to keep it stock then just change the drop in.

I don't think you see I am comparing two of Perrin's own products and dyno charts to each other. No ARC. No Takeda.

The more expensive CAI makes a tiny bit more peak hp, but loses about as much as it gains at peak at lower rpm. The cheaper one makes almost the same peak power with no loss.

[ChaChas345]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

The aFe Takeda is $300 for the FULL SETUP. Proven performance, great design. If you enjoy $150 extra dollars for a Perrin name slapped on it, more power to you.

I checked a couple of sites and it has pricing of 350-420. 349.99 being a special. IT might just be for those sites but if they do sell for 300 its still worse than the Perrin CAI. You do know most intakes dont show shit for gains until they hit the higher RPMS right?

Either way you guys are arguing that the Perrin CAI isnt worth getting when AFE Takedas get practically similar dyno results give or take 1or 2 whp if not worse if you look at some shops threads on their dynos getting 3 whp. While this cost just as much as that and it gets more gains than the AFE did in a seperate thread? So tell me what your gonna choose. AFE takeda that got 3 whp that was posted from a shop in their dyno shoot out thread. or a 5 WHP CAI that can still be improved with a silicone tube that is optional.

No one is forcing you to get the tube. If you want it you can still purchase it and it is still priced competitively compared to ARKs induction box which costs 650 for a short ram design intake. If you want a smoother gain then get the tube they decided to sell it seperate to keep costs down for the buyer. Yet their CAI still out performs the AFE Takeda/Greddy.

So your argument is invalid. Go ahead pay 300 for a AFE takeda/Greddy for 3 whp when a Perrin Drop in filter can get that. Or get a Perrin CAI for basically the same cost as the Takeda for 5 whp and that can be improved later on if you decide to get the silicone tube they offer also.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

The aFe Takeda is $300 for the FULL SETUP. Proven performance, great design. If you enjoy $150 extra dollars for a Perrin name slapped on it, more power to you.

Even more, it can be had for $275 and is the favorite among tuners to this date.

Chacha apparently has drank too much Perrin Kool Aid. The arguments in favor of this semi-Cai (or full with the Silicone Tube) are absurd.

Like I said before I Love Perrin parts, but it is what it is... and that is overpirced
@ChaChas345 [ame="http://www.amazon.com/aFe-TM-2013B-R-Wrinkle-Stage-2-H4-2-0L/dp/B008HLQ1U2/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt"]AFE Takeda Intake for $273[/ame]

[ChaChas345]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I don't think you see I am comparing two of Perrin's own products and dyno charts to each other. No ARC. No Takeda.

The more expensive CAI makes a tiny bit more peak hp, but loses about as much as it gains at peak at lower rpm. The cheaper one makes almost the same peak power with no loss.

Read my thread instead of stating the same thing over and over again.

The more expensive CAI is to be used for people who also do other mods. You honestly think that a drop in filter will show similar results when a header back and other mods are thrown on the FR-S? Put headers on their too to complete the full exhaust do you really think a drop in is going to do better than a CAI that is breathing better?

It may get only 2 whp but it also will get way more when you get a full exhaust on the car. Perrin already stated that the silicone tube saw as high as 4 whp gained on some of their runs with just the silicone tube on the CAI alone. When comparing runs. Stop looking just those 2 parts and look at the bigger picture. They sell the drop in for people who dont mod their cars as heavily as others. The CAI is for people who mod their cars heavily. What do you not get?

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Even more, it can be had for $275 and is the favorite among tuners to this date.

Chacha apparently has drank too much Perrin Kool Aid. The arguments in favor of this semi-Cai (or full with the Silicone Tube) are absurd.

Like I said before I Love Perrin parts, but it is what it is... and that is overpirced
@ChaChas345 AFE Takeda Intake for $273

275 for 3 whp.. what a Perrin drop in will get. Why would you get a Takeda where Drift Office or w/e did dynos with the Taked and got back to back runs with gains of 3 whp? So your saying its better?

Perrins half assed CAI does better and thats without the tubing. Go ahead spend 275 on Takedas intake for 3 whp when other members are basically saying why they shouldnt get the Perrin CAI over the drop in filter which is what we are talking about in the first place if you would bother to read lol.

[NickFRS]

A cai doesn't help a header make more power... Also cai on other cars are cheap... Sti's for example are 300-450 bucks for a intake. Perrin has always been slightly more expensive. Also on a colder day a car will make more power then on a hotter day. It's totally reasonable to ask Perrin as a community to do the dyno runs I asked of to get valid data. If they did the drop in filter dyno on a 65 degree day then the cai dyno on a 40 degree day there would be mixed data. To have conclusive data side by side can only happen when all variables are the same. If Perrin had access to a dyno and the parts, which they do, they could have the baseline/4 other pulls done in 3 hours easy or less. I don't see an issue. It would also be cool to compare the afr of the intakes n what not.... Also while running n/a I don't think there would be much of a difference at all between the two if the drop in filter is 1hp less. Also keep in mind they draw the cold air from the same place, the main difference is the filter location. And like I said earlier the throttle response your talking about milliseconds.

[NickFRS]

Also it looks as if you guys didn't read what this post is about. This about Perrin products not other intakes. Please don't get off topic.

"Waits for a Perrin response"