GT5 vs Forza 4

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

^Dragon, I do agree w you on design... but... there is real race car w drawing on it

Hatsune Miku Z4 GT300

Evangelion Toytoa Corolla Super GT


& there's Gundam design Lexus SC430 Super GT and so on... but I think, I've embarrass Japan enough

The Super GT car is border line still the livery of an average Race car. The Z4 GT300 kind of livery I expect to find more on the likes of a Drift Car. I think these would be an "exception" rather than the norm though.

I didn't include drift cars albeit they are race cars. They are intentionally setup to get the judges attention, so their livery is pretty catchy sorta speak. Drift in itself is for pure excitement, so their livery is wilder than your typical race car.



PS....damn that Super GT is a freaking Corolla...whoa...what's left on it that's still Corolla?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

PS....damn that Super GT is a freaking Corolla...whoa...what's left on it that's still Corolla?

Name But seriously, they put crazy amount of mods I have no idea what's Corolla left in there.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Yeah your right, my decades of experience just doesn't mean much in terms of coming to this understanding. Linux and OSX crash just as often...../end sarcasm.

In all of my time working in a professional IT setting I have yet to see anyone deploy any Apple OS on any server. Everything I've worked with at the college I attended, while working at Pfizer, and while currently working for the gov't has been running a Windows server. Linux works great for a web server though, running Apache of course.
The difference has been that the good IT teams keep things running well, and the meh IT teams experience lots of issues.

Also, I own a Zune 80GB. Still works great. While they don't make the hardware anymore, the software is all over. On the PC, in Xbox, and on Windows Phones. I'll take that any day over iTunes. In fact, I did. I won a 30GB iPod and gave it away before the end of the day. Then I went and got a Zune.
I can't count the number of iPods that I've seen that were broken though, but market saturation means more are going to break... Kinda like your Windows vs Apple vs Linux thing there.. Apple must make shitty MP3 players if I used to have to fix/send off broken ones all the time... see what I did there?

edit: Who gives a shit what the car looks like? Last time I checked, paint didn't change performance. Or did you actually go and play Forza and someone kicked your ass with a Hello Kitty car?

Also since I feel like I'm feeding a troll now. Forza > *

[blur]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I didn't categorize anything. Pretty sure I told you specifically that I like race car livery and not that "oh let me put Monica's ass and tits on my race car" livery. It's fake to me, and not authentic. Don't see it in any racing league I've ever had the pleasure of being apart of, or seeing on the net/TV. That's boy-racer modification is 90% of Forza users are about.

Really, someone who has never played Forza 4 already know that 90% of them are boy racers. Talk about generalizing. Lets see, you like real liveries right, like this?






There are thousands upon thousands of other real liveries I can post as example created by the Forza community just in the last month, but I'll never convince you because you dont care for user created content since it's not "authentic"... oh and that GTR sure was a surprise, totally had no idea that cars sponsored by gt5 would be in GT5.

Ill stop here. Its getting nowhere.

One more lololol

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Wait, What? Decal to "look like carbon fiber"? Please tell me you can add a real carbon hood to your car to increase the performance index due to shedding weight off the vehicle. Adding a vinyl wrap on an otherwise stock hood serves no purpose to the performance of it. Please tell me you can add a real carbon hood, and have the game subtract weight from the car.

Yes I had to make the damn thing myself! You can change the hood out for lighter aftermarket ones, but they are usually painted the same colour as the body of the car (painted CF? I dunno). There aren't any aftermarket hoods that come looking like CF as far as I remember.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Authentic representation of a real race car is what I enjoy more. Can you do that in Forza, sure...how long do you have to spend to do it though...I don't care to spend that time. Just give me the car like it is in real life cause I'm ready to start driving, not give me a plain GTR to spend time trying to make it look like the real car. Don't care to buy just graphics for a game car. If I buy anything graphics/decals, it would be for my real life race car.

There are a lot of cars (usually "Racing" class (R1, R2, R3, R4)) that come with liveries already done in Forza. For example - Yellowhat Supra (IIRC?) is just one. There are many more. But usually only 1-2 at most. At least there aren't 27 copies of one car (Skyline) which they've just chucked in to say they've got "Over 1000 cars"

BTW, the liveries you "buy" in F4 are using in-game credits, not real money!! You'd have to be stupid to spend actual money on those things.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

In all of my time working in a professional IT setting I have yet to see anyone deploy any Apple OS on any server.

Did I state an Apple OS was deployed on a server?

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Everything I've worked with at the college I attended, while working at Pfizer, and while currently working for the gov't has been running a Windows server. Linux works great for a web server though, running Apache of course.
The difference has been that the good IT teams keep things running well, and the meh IT teams experience lots of issues.

Also, I own a Zune 80GB. Still works great. While they don't make the hardware anymore, the software is all over. On the PC, in Xbox, and on Windows Phones. I'll take that any day over iTunes. In fact, I did. I won a 30GB iPod and gave it away before the end of the day. Then I went and got a Zune.
I can't count the number of iPods that I've seen that were broken though, but market saturation means more are going to break... Kinda like your Windows vs Apple vs Linux thing there.. Apple must make shitty MP3 players if I used to have to fix/send off broken ones all the time... see what I did there?

edit: Who gives a shit what the car looks like? Last time I checked, paint didn't change performance. Or did you actually go and play Forza and someone kicked your ass with a Hello Kitty car?

Also since I feel like I'm feeding a troll now. Forza > *

Everything I do involved security for the gov and other 3 letter agencies. Funny how a military base would be running the same virus protection that a home pc user would be.

I have an Android, so no I don't do apple products (did have an Ipod touch that fell in the bucket of water I was washing my car with though). Not an Apple fan. Don't mean I'm not critical of Windows even though that's what I always use, besides an occasional Linux distro.

And yes the Zune failed, didn't say yours did. It's kinda like saying, Toyota had recalls on car X so they suck and then someone standing up and arguing that theirs was just fine. It's irrelevant.

Your last paragraph isn't worth responding to.

Originally Posted by blur

Really, someone who has never played Forza 4 already know that 90% of them are boy racers. Talk about generalizing. Lets see, you like real liveries right, like this?

Oh so now Forza has changed their demographic? Come on dude. For every good car you send with a pic of the livery, there are 100's that look like what I posted, don't kid yourself.

Originally Posted by blur

There are thousands upon thousands of other real liveries I can post as example created by the Forza community just in the last month, but I'll never convince you because you dont care for user created content since it's not "authentic"... oh and that GTR sure was a surprise, totally had no idea that cars sponsored by gt5 would be in GT5.

GT5 sponsors a lot of cars, that don't mean they get a spot in the game. That would be nice though to have all those too.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Snaps

Yes I had to make the damn thing myself! You can change the hood out for lighter aftermarket ones, but they are usually painted the same colour as the body of the car (painted CF? I dunno). There aren't any aftermarket hoods that come looking like CF as far as I remember.

Is that 100% confirmation? I was going to be very upset if the hood didn't factor into weight savings.

Originally Posted by Snaps

There are a lot of cars (usually "Racing" class (R1, R2, R3, R4)) that come with liveries already done in Forza. For example - Yellowhat Supra (IIRC?) is just one. There are many more. But usually only 1-2 at most. At least there aren't 27 copies of one car (Skyline) which they've just chucked in to say they've got "Over 1000 cars"

BTW, the liveries you "buy" in F4 are using in-game credits, not real money!! You'd have to be stupid to spend actual money on those things.

Only one Yellowhat Supra in GT5 also, but they have the other GT class Supra's like Castrol Tom's Supra also.

And there are changes between an GTR and a GTR V-spec. Did GT5 accurately capture that difference, I couldn't tell you as I have never driven both in real life to be able to provide feedback on the different feel each gives. Same can be said for a certain year S2000 vs another year S2000. Looks like the same car to the user, but in real life, Honda changed the width of the rear tires in the next year for example, and gave the car a different feel to drive (that's real life that is). Again, whether GT captured that accurately I couldn't tell you, as I have not put hours behind the wheel of the two versions of S2000's. I did find a Keichi video explaining it and testing them.

Do they sell liveries that you have to purchase with xBox $?

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Is that 100% confirmation? I was going to be very upset if the hood didn't factor into weight savings.

Yes. 100% confirmation that changing the hood changes the weight (in the majority of cases). It usually lowers it, but there are cases where it does not.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

And there are changes between an GTR and a GTR V-spec. Did GT5 accurately capture that difference, I couldn't tell you as I have never driven both in real life to be able to provide feedback on the different feel each gives. Same can be said for a certain year S2000 vs another year S2000. Looks like the same car to the user, but in real life, Honda changed the width of the rear tires in the next year for example, and gave the car a different feel to drive (that's real life that is). Again, whether GT captured that accurately I couldn't tell you, as I have not put hours behind the wheel of the two versions of S2000's. I did find a Keichi video explaining it and testing them.

I know there are differences between the GTR and V-spec, but I'm 100% sure there aren't 27 different types of Skyline (GTR, V-Spec, V-specII, Nur Edition, etc.)

I'm just looking at the list of Skylines on GT5 now...

3 x Skyline GTR R33
2 x Skyline GTR R34
2 x Skyline GTR R32
2 x Special Color Midnight purple Skylines (R33, R44) - Why not just include that in the color options for the normal GTR's?
3 x R33 V-spec's
2 x R32 GTS-T Type M

You can't tell me they weren't just doing that to say they had more cars in GT5? Even if there were slight differences between the models, I'm sure they shouldn't be worth the extra time over improving other parts of the game that are lacking? (Standard cars are what I'm talking about, as an example)

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Do they sell liveries that you have to purchase with xBox $?

I've never seen, or heard of them. DLC car packs, or "car tokens" are the only things they charge for AFAIK. No liveries come under this, and car token are not necessary at all - all cars can be purchased with in-game credits.

Note: "car tokens" are things you can use to buy cars in-game instead of having to use in-game credits, stupid idea IMO.

[Neutral_Eyes]

Ika Musume Ferrari and Miku BMW. Make it happen, PD.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Snaps

I know there are differences between the GTR and V-spec, but I'm 100% sure there aren't 27 different types of Skyline (GTR, V-Spec, V-specII, Nur Edition, etc.)

I'm just looking at the list of Skylines on GT5 now...

3 x Skyline GTR R33
2 x Skyline GTR R34
2 x Skyline GTR R32
2 x Special Color Midnight purple Skylines (R33, R44) - Why not just include that in the color options for the normal GTR's?
3 x R33 V-spec's
2 x R32 GTS-T Type M

Look up Mx5 in GT5 & 3000GT. iirc Mx5 has over 30 & 3000GT (GTO) has over 20

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Ika Musume Ferrari and Miku BMW. Make it happen, PD.

Oh yeah! Forgot bout the Ika Musume Ferrari

[n2oinferno]

Oh man, I hope someone has recreated that livery in Forza. I will buy it today if they have. Normally I don't do the anime fantasy liveries, but real life stuff is great.

[LexusFman]

I think I can put some insight into this debate. I've read the entire thread and I can honestly say Dragonitti, you are a fanboy. Gran Turismo is an amazing game that I think destroys Forza but then again I've never really sat down and actually played forza, just did a couple of races. I'm going to start off with GT5's faults. #1- Standard Cars: I think that PD should have made the game more consistent on that front but hey, what can you do? The standard cars include some of my favorite vehicles and I would like to see in the next gran turismo the devide completely gone. #2-Tuning- GT5's tuning lacks in some areas. For one I can't upgrade the brakes on my car. Do you know how much I would love to put some racing brakes on my Is-F? Also, lack of visual tuning pisses me off a little bit. I'm glad they brought back the racing mod but Forza's paintjobs would be the best possible IMO. Who cares if people can rice cars in a game. People do it in real life, and this game is supposed to be a simulator right? Finally, they need to have a larger variety of body kits available. I want a Wide Body Kit on my Is-F. #3- The used car dealership. Why PD? Why??? If I need a AE86 or just want one why do I have to wait an entire week IN REAL LIFE just to get that damn car? THose are really the only faults GT5 has to me. If PD fixed them all in GT6 I'd be one happy fellow.

On to Forza...

#1- I don't know about F4 but I played F3 and oh boy it feels like Ice skating. There is no feel for the road what so ever. GT1 does it better than Forza. They need to fix that shit quick.

#2- In order to actually make the game take skill, I had to take off so many assists like automatic braking. Why? Even need for speed dosen't brake the car for you. Racing sims aren't for casuals. Just No.

#3- The graphics are lame as hell. It might be because I was playing on a shit projector but from what I could see not even close to GT5. Hell, not even close to NFS Shift 2.

[Spaceywilly]

Forza 4 is a huge improvement over Forza 3 in all of those categories. You should try it out before you dismiss it because of the one time you played Forza 3.

#1 - they took data from Pirelli to make the tire modelling better, and now there is simulation steering. It is still not as good as GT5 but it is at least realistic now.

#2 - Just because you are a super pro racing gamer doesn't mean everyone is. The assists are there to make the game fun for more people, and they can be turned off. What's wrong with that?

#3 - Graphics in Forza 4 are at least equal, if not better, than GT5, and you don't have to worry about a "standard" car model being on the track and ruining the whole thing.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Snaps

That's an opinion... Unless you know the physics model behind GT5?



I think they do still allow driveshaft mods on FWD cars. I always just took it as axle mods instead, it's a bit more realistic



I'm not sure what you're talking about? The 1UZ swapped into a Supra in Forza 3 was lighter than the 2JZ that comes out of it? You're not talking about F2 are you (I think that may have been the case in F2?)?

Yeah, because Honda guys are always replacing their tooth-pick axles by putting light-weight ones in their cars to rev better...

(Still no facepalm smiley?)

Like I said. Past failures taint my impression of Forza's present.

As for the physics, it just doesn't 'feel' right...

(I owned Forza 2.)