Back in shop...

[nutzy]

Same thing happened to me. They sending in a new long block to replace my motor next week. Dealership said the only thing they might swap over is the intake. I also had the CEL/LT problem about 1.5 months ago.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by nutzy

Same thing happened to me. They sending in a new long block to replace my motor next week. Dealership said the only thing they might swap over is the intake. I also had the CEL/LT problem about 1.5 months ago.

And this is why I don't want poorly trained dealer techs replacing cam gears and tearing the motor apart...it almost inevitably needs to a new motor being needed because the tolerances are not correct or some debris gets into the motor during the rebuild at the dealer, and then blamo your motor is done...the stuff you guys are going through is nuts....

[Shizzaw]

Got a call from the dealer yesterday. Parts are backordered until Dec 10. I think I'm gonna just claim lemon law on this. I want an FR-S but I prefer one that runs like it was designed to do.

[Gixxersixxerman]

Originally Posted by Shizzaw

Got a call from the dealer yesterday. Parts are backordered until Dec 10. I think I'm gonna just claim lemon law on this. I want an FR-S but I prefer one that runs like it was designed to do.

What dealer are you using if you don't mind me asking

[Shizzaw]

Toyota of Temecula

[brianbot5000]

Keep up posted - interested in how this turns out. Knock on wood - no "real" issues here yet, but still very low on mileage. In a way, you should be thankful that you're encountering this now - my fear is that a lot of us could encounter this as we get close to our 3 year/36k warranty expiration. It really makes me think I'll likely trade it in before that time comes.

[Shizzaw]

No updates to this yet. After speaking with corporate, he suggested I do one of the 3 following:

1. Speak to the management of the dealership directly about a replacement FR-S since my contract is through them, not Scion directly.

2. Start and arbitrary process using this website: http://www.ncdsusa.org/. Apparently this information is also located in the paperwork we all received and should be in our owners manual somewhere (I can't look for it because I dont have my car right now).

3. Contact a Lemon Law attorney, which I've already done and I am told that I am a perfect candidate. My worry with this is the amount of time it will take to resolve this way. I'm also concerned that if I'm refunded my money, I get back my down payment and any payments I've made to date, minus about $850 for the mileage I've driven.

What do you guys think is the best option?

[Shizzaw]

Originally Posted by nutzy

Same thing happened to me. They sending in a new long block to replace my motor next week. Dealership said the only thing they might swap over is the intake. I also had the CEL/LT problem about 1.5 months ago.

Sorry to hear you are having the same kinds of problems I've been having.

How many of us FT86 guys have had engine replacements so far?

[d4rizob]

I am awaiting an engine replacement, same mileage 3700. I had the ECU/cam issue 3 days and 197 miles into ownership. I was without the car for 2 weeks then. Mine spun a connecting rod bearing and wreaked other havoc. My service writer said no long block available so they are getting a short block, heads and all the other pieces to make a new engine. They've had it 2 weeks so far and are still waitng on parts.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by d4rizob

I am awaiting an engine replacement, same mileage 3700. I had the ECU/cam issue 3 days and 197 miles into ownership. I was without the car for 2 weeks then. Mine spun a connecting rod bearing and wreaked other havoc. My service writer said no long block available so they are getting a short block, heads and all the other pieces to make a new engine. They've had it 2 weeks so far and are still waitng on parts.

If the repair calls for long block, would you be satisfied with the secondary fix of mixing and matching? I'm not a mechanic but it sounds like if a short + your old parts would have worked, they(Scion/Subaru) would have suggested that in the first place.

I think I read on this forum a few weeks back something in regards to doing this, and why it was best to use a long block in certain scenarios. Someone with more engine rebuilding knowledge should answer that.

[Razz]

If I remember correctly you need to re-read the lemon law.

It is over 30 days repair for the SAME issue.

Had to go through this a few years back.

So until you hit 31 days on the wait for the engine block, it is a no go.

Also, you will be forced to go to arbitration in which they may or may not grant you the lemon law.

Most likely not unless it is major issue.

Once you hit 31 days you can ask for a new car or else file for lemon law then wait for the arbitrator.

[FT_Monk]

Originally Posted by d4rizob

I am awaiting an engine replacement, same mileage 3700. I had the ECU/cam issue 3 days and 197 miles into ownership. I was without the car for 2 weeks then. Mine spun a connecting rod bearing and wreaked other havoc. My service writer said no long block available so they are getting a short block, heads and all the other pieces to make a new engine. They've had it 2 weeks so far and are still waitng on parts.

I would not trust dealer ship to assembly the short block and the heads. Possibly the cause of the engine failure was from sloppy cam job from your car first repair. In general dealer ship can do misc. part replacements. Engine or trans building is not what they can do well.
I would file for lemon law or at least demand a factory assembly long block and extended warranty.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by FT_Monk

I would not trust dealer ship to assembly the short block and the heads. Possibly the cause of the engine failure was from sloppy cam job from your car first repair. In general dealer ship can do misc. part replacements. Engine or trans building is not what they can do well.
I would file for lemon law or at least demand a factory assembly long block and extended warranty.

More than positive a few engines popped from improper reassembly. I'd never trust a dealership to assemble an engine; only an engine shop that specifically does engines (Porsche, Subaru).

[Shizzaw]

Originally Posted by d4rizob

I am awaiting an engine replacement, same mileage 3700. I had the ECU/cam issue 3 days and 197 miles into ownership. I was without the car for 2 weeks then. Mine spun a connecting rod bearing and wreaked other havoc. My service writer said no long block available so they are getting a short block, heads and all the other pieces to make a new engine. They've had it 2 weeks so far and are still waitng on parts.

Wow...your history sounds identical to mine. ECU/cam issue on day 2 with 220 miles and now this. Sorry to hear you have to go through this too.

Originally Posted by Razz

If I remember correctly you need to re-read the lemon law.

It is over 30 days repair for the SAME issue.

Had to go through this a few years back.

So until you hit 31 days on the wait for the engine block, it is a no go.

Also, you will be forced to go to arbitration in which they may or may not grant you the lemon law.

Most likely not unless it is major issue.

Once you hit 31 days you can ask for a new car or else file for lemon law then wait for the arbitrator.

I've read the lemon law over and over for CA as well as spoken to lawyers. It definitely applies in my case. Plus, its now been in the shop for 36 days for this issue alone. It was 28 days last time totaling 64 days it's been inoperable since owning it.

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

More than positive a few engines popped from improper reassembly. I'd never trust a dealership to assemble an engine; only an engine shop that specifically does engines (Porsche, Subaru).

This is exactly why I contacted the dealership and asked for a new car. I'm supposed to hear back from the managers this afternoon. I'll keep you all updated.