Subaru BRZ rear wheel drive - WHY?

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nardi330

sorry, slap AWD on the BRZ and it will become a WRX/STI because the AWD drive train won't fit the BRZ chassis. so engine has to raise/move forward and body style will change accordingly.

slapping a turbo on the BRZ on the other hand is a great idea.......

Um, no. I didn't say to slap on the WRX drivetrain. A turbo and AWD system could be developed to fit into these cars. Don't you know that engineers can design anything these days?

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nafe

AWD would have upset weight distribution, added more weight, and raised the centre of gravity. None of which would have been good.
Subaru preach and carry on about how the boxer engine gives their cars low centre of gravity... Evo 10 with it's (upright) inline engine has a lower centre of gravity than the STI.....

I don't understand why some people think that AWD can't work with a boxer engine and still have a low center of gravity. Seriously? It's been done already.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Many of us just press "new posts" and don't look at the sub forum.

That's exactly what I do. I never look to see which sub-forum I'm in.

[Nardi330]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

Um, no. I didn't say to slap on the WRX drivetrain. A turbo and AWD system could be developed to fit into these cars. Don't you know that engineers can design anything these days?

Have u seen where the front drivetrain parts need to go to have AWD on this car?

Do you know it's physically not possible to have a mechanical AWD to fit the ZN6/ZC6 chassis?

Modify it to fit will turn it into a layout similar to WRX/STI. Which defeats the whole point.

They might be able to fit electric motors to the front wheels to make it an AWD tho.....

[Nardi330]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

I don't understand why some people think that AWD can't work with a boxer engine and still have a low center of gravity. Seriously? It's been done already.

Where? Wrx/STI? Or your mean 911?

They have WRX already so why turn the BRZ into a WRX?

If u must have AWD turbo on your boxer car, there is something for you already. Leave the BRZ for the rest of us!!

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

I don't understand why some people think that AWD can't work with a boxer engine and still have a low center of gravity. Seriously? It's been done already.

LOL where did I say that mate??
I am not saying that AWD and boxer engines CAN'T work with a low centre of gravity.... I am saying Subaru DON'T make it work.....
Answer this... Subaru praise the boxer for giving them low COG, yes?? SO why does the Evo with it's inline 4 have a lower centre of gravity?????
OBVIOUSLY Subaru can't make t work there

[Nafe]

Originally Posted by Nardi330

Have u seen where the front drivetrain parts need to go to have AWD on this car?

Do you know it's physically not possible to have a mechanical AWD to fit the ZN6/ZC6 chassis?

Modify it to fit will turn it into a layout similar to WRX/STI. Which defeats the whole point.

They might be able to fit electric motors to the front wheels to make it an AWD tho.....

This... Quoted for truth.

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by Nafe

This... Quoted for truth.

Yep
I remember about a year or more back, there was a diagram someone posted, the only way to retain the engine hight was to move it back further.
The car that had this setup was a GT special purpose car (forget which one) and while this way it COULD be done, it would require firewall / tunnel re-manufacturing and it isn't probable to be done successfully and effectively unless HEAVILY modified chassis or going tube chassis and calling it a BRZ/86/FRS

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Yep
I remember about a year or more back, there was a diagram someone posted, the only way to retain the engine hight was to move it back further.
The car that had this setup was a GT special purpose car (forget which one) and while this way it COULD be done, it would require firewall / tunnel re-manufacturing and it isn't probable to be done successfully and effectively unless HEAVILY modified chassis or going tube chassis and calling it a BRZ/86/FRS

I was going to say just google "GT300 Legacy" and the 7th hit that points me back to this page on this forum:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2101

This is like a One-off race car design that is not suitable for production car. As this has been argued before on this forum about whether it is possible to fit an AWD drivetrain with low COG, and possibly to the BRZ/GT-86/FRS chassis.

So IMO technically it can be done, spiritually, I would rather have a RWD car for more fun.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nardi330

Have u seen where the front drivetrain parts need to go to have AWD on this car?

Do you know it's physically not possible to have a mechanical AWD to fit the ZN6/ZC6 chassis?

Modify it to fit will turn it into a layout similar to WRX/STI. Which defeats the whole point.

They might be able to fit electric motors to the front wheels to make it an AWD tho.....

To say that it can't be done is ignorant. It can absolutely be done if (and that's the key word here) they actually wanted to do it. Personally, I think the car would be fantastic in a turbo AWD configuration. It would be similar to a modern version of the old first generation Eagle Talon/ Mitsubishi Eclipse.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nardi330

Where? Wrx/STI? Or your mean 911?

They have WRX already so why turn the BRZ into a WRX?

If u must have AWD turbo on your boxer car, there is something for you already. Leave the BRZ for the rest of us!!

I'm not talking about turning the car into a WRX. Personally, I hate the WRX just because of its styling alone. I'd love to see that drivetrain in a low-slung two-door coupe though. Again, it would bring me back to my old Eagle Talon days.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Nafe

LOL where did I say that mate??
I am not saying that AWD and boxer engines CAN'T work with a low centre of gravity.... I am saying Subaru DON'T make it work.....
Answer this... Subaru praise the boxer for giving them low COG, yes?? SO why does the Evo with it's inline 4 have a lower centre of gravity?????
OBVIOUSLY Subaru can't make t work there

Right, so obviously it can work. Lots of people seem to think it can't work though, and that's why I made that comment.

BTW, any time you add weight low in the car (like adding AWD, for example), you're lowering the center of gravity of the car.

[st162celica]

AWD

Boring

[Nardi330]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

To say that it can't be done is ignorant. It can absolutely be done if (and that's the key word here) they actually wanted to do it. Personally, I think the car would be fantastic in a turbo AWD configuration. It would be similar to a modern version of the old first generation Eagle Talon/ Mitsubishi Eclipse.

You just don't get it do you. You are asking the front diff etc to be where the engine is. So unless they find a way to make both the engine and front drive train smaller, they will need to move something to a different location. Or they make more space to fit those parts and then the body dimension and shape change.

You can't really move the drivetrain because otherwise it can't drive the front wheels. So what do u do? U move the engine and guess what? The layout will then becomes like the WRX.

What you are asking is something like, it would be nice if the BRZ has 7 seats in the same size. I can carry lots more people and have fun at the same time. If they want to do it, surely they can.....