so....what exactly is RICE?

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

Rice is anything meant to make a car look faster that doesn't actually serve that function,

I disagree. What about something OEM on a car that makes the car look faster, but doesn't serve the function? There are lots of examples of this. Non-functional hood scoops are lots of cars (even SUVs & trucks too, think 4Runner and Tacoma), but I don't think that's rice. Factory stripes are on lots of cars (think Mustangs) and they certainly don't make the car any faster.

all body kits are rice, unless developed with actual CFD/wind tunnel or at the very least engineering, to help extract air from under the car and maximize the tunneling effect under the car to decrease lift.

A lot of body kits do look ricey, but there are also kits that just improve the look of the car without being "over the top" in a ricey kind of way. You know, pretty much the opposite of the typical Veilside body kit. I wouldn't classify EVERY body kit as rice that wasn't developed in a wind tunnel.

most of the rims you fan boi's buy are rice, if you upgrade rim diameter and it isn't to clear brakes or meet a class spec...it's rice...now you can tell yourself it is faster or handles better...but then you can go home and look at a real racecar and realize real racecars have sidewalls...

When it comes to rims, there's not a direct correlation between size and rice. It's silly to say that an upgraded wheel diameter is rice for several reasons. First, if a car comes with 17" wheel standard, you're saying that 18" wheels would be rice in that case? Okay, what about a car that comes with the same 18" wheels? Those aren't rice because they came on the car? That's silly. There's no hard-and-fast rule that says someone has to stick with the OEM wheel size to avoid being a ricer.

BTW, there are cars that have different size wheel options from the factory. For example, if my M3 as OEM 18" wheels and I put a set of OEM 19" wheels (which were an available option on the car), does that constitute rice? Of course not...

And BTW, a bigger wheel with a lower profile tire (to maintain the original overall diameter) will almost always result in improved handling, all else equal. A shorter sidewall flexes less and allows greater levels of grip.

Spoilers on cars that do not have rear traction demands that exceed factory capability...are rice. (i refused to put a wing on my race car until I was having highspeed traction issues and needed it)

Spoilers can provide downforce at higher speeds. But generally, I'm not a fan of rear spoilers at all, especially FWD cars. But like I said, they can provide downforce depending upon the car & the spoiler.

decals...are rice

Generally, yes. But not always. Example: Boss 302 decals are in no way rice.

outrageous colors on cars...guess what...rice

That's a silly thing to say. How can you define an outrageous color? What is outrageous to you might not be outrageous to others. Lots of good examples here too.

lowering your car (especially on a chassis this developed) with out addressing a need (i want low is a desire not a need) is rice.

Are you saying that the chassis can't be improved by lowering? You need to understand that the engineers had to make compromises when they developed the chassis. If someone buys the car and doesn't want to live with those compromises, there's nothing wrong with making changes to it. Even if someone doesn't like excessive gap in the wheel wells, that's reason enough to make a change. Or maybe someone is willing to accept a stiffer ride for sharper handling, so they decide to lower the car. That's a good example of a functional change and isn't rice at all.

[DoubleZero_RS]

Originally Posted by J2 Motorsports

RACE. INSPIRED. COSMETIC. ENHANCEMENTS= RICE

+1

Anything (usually cheap) to make your car look faster (usually a wild looking piece) than it actually is that is usually non-functional.

Ex.
- Crazy non-functional bumpers with too much things going on and 20 vents.
- Those "electric" ebay turbos you hook up onto your intake.
- Those universal mufflers welded to the stock axle back making your car sound like a fart machine

Originally Posted by TuxedoCartman

Just because you don't consider yourself racist, or have any negative feelings about asians, doesn't change the origin of the word. "Rice" comes from "rice-burner", a derogatory term I first heard back in the mid-80's to refer to cars built in Japan. Today, it's still a derogatory term, and it's still used to describe cars that engage in a style of modifying popular in Japan. It is a racist term, period.

Though I agree with you, "riced out" I would say is just a term used today to define a certain group of modified cars ("race inspired cosmetic enhancements" cars). I don't think most people today uses it as a derogatory term anymore, as there are "riced out" Mustangs, Civics, Neons, to every other manufacturers out there. It's just unfortunate that that style of modification was stuck with the term "rice"

[Calidrifter]

If you buy a part that looks cool and justify it with "because.racecar." you might be a ricer.

If said part is still unpainted. You might be a ricer.

If you hit a pot hole and your wheel cracks. You might be a ricer.

But none of it matters cause if it makes you happy than it makes you happy. I mean look at all the guys on here that talk shit to the guys over seas that are trying to get their 86 to US Spec by getting Scion badges and FR-S accessories.

[SalM]

Originally Posted by post_break

It's very very easy. Something is rice if it attaches with double sided tape. There isn't a single thing that you can install on a car with double sided tape that will make me go "I NEED THIS".

I find this to be completely false.. Just because you use double sided tape doesn't mean its "rice". I had a 3 series bmw and put an M3 trunk spoiler which looked beyond clean and tastefull to many other Bmw modders and it was attached by 3m double sided tape and in no standard is it "rice"

[White Shadow]

I might not know exactly how to define rice, but I know it when I see it.

[SalM]

Originally Posted by Calidrifter

If you buy a part that looks cool and justify it with "because.racecar." you might be a ricer.

If said part is still unpainted. You might be a ricer.

If you hit a pot hole and your wheel cracks. You might be a ricer.

But none of it matters cause if it makes you happy than it makes you happy. I mean look at all the guys on here that talk shit to the guys over seas that are trying to get their 86 to US Spec by getting Scion badges and FR-S accessories.

Very true, but to be honest the only reason I quoted your post is because I couldn't help but drool over your trunk lip.. It looks so efffinggg beautifulllll

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by SalM

I find this to be completely false.. Just because you use double sided tape doesn't mean its "rice". I had a 3 series bmw and put an M3 trunk spoiler which looked beyond clean and tastefull to many other Bmw modders and it was attached by 3m double sided tape and in no standard is it "rice"

Not only that, but there are plenty of cars that come from the factory with double-sided tape (like the automotive grade 3M stuff) holding stuff on.

[SalM]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

Not only that, but there are plenty of cars that come from the factory with double-sided tape (like the automotive grade 3M stuff) holding stuff on.

Yes exactly my point.. So if he's saying double-sided tape is rice then half the automotive manufacters are "ricing" their cars out from the dealer.. Just think about it

[OmarGC]

This

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21080

[wbradley]

So by people's definition a 5:AD body kit is rice? Are all cosmetic mods rice?

I haven't gotten to the costly performance mods yet. Car drives great, could use a few more horses.

[SkullWorks]

so i can see some of us got a little...sideways before you read my whole thread...reading comprehension isn't strong with this group i see.

at no point did I say if the factory did it is isn't rice...i actually said the opposite...

boss 302 is rice. the dacals in no way improve the performance.

if rim diameter isn't driven by brake clearance it is rice, yep even on a factory car...

so lets simplify this for you simple people, if it isn't functional it is rice

...for instance the stupid decal on my gas door from the dealer...is ricey as F^ck.

18's on a mini cooper...factory or otherwise...rice

18's on a Z where they are required to clear brakes...NOT rice.


I like that i made you guys so mad...it tells me you are ricers at heart and what i have said made it that much harder for you to deny.


here's a tip, come to terms with it, you are what you are...if you like that stuff embrace it and quit letting people you don't know judge you and affect you, your skin's too thin...go get some swag, you'll feel better about yourself

[Ingen]

If I can hear your fart can rattling from 400 yards away b/c it's poorly clamped onto the stock exhaust pipe, that fits the bill for *insert your favorite term for an ugly / horrid / useless modification here*

Another thought here: if you've got 2x12" woofers in your trunk AT ALL, and more importantly if your license plate rattles like crazy, that also fits.

Lets call it tooner mods. Ya know, like tuner, but a joke.

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by TuxedoCartman

Wow, that was.... REALLY poorly written. And a little crazy. Are you drunk?

I'm not going to argue any of the things you just brought up (as you simply made my case in my post on page one)... with ONE exception: I never told anyone their opinions aren't valid. I *did* smack down the assertion that "rice" as a derogatory term isn't racist, because that's not an opinion but rather a fact. Would you like for me to respond with a two-thousand page post detailing nationalism in capitalist markets? Because I'm bored, and I will.

drunk...no not a drinker myself

you can't argue, this in an opinion thread...again, you'd be wrong

go ahead try to tell us how anti american we are for buying japanese cars, tell me how racist i am...ricer....

you didn't smack down anything, you made a claim based on your understanding, and again you're wrong. As has been pointed out there is rice in every car community from every geographic location...if you want to take offense, please do, but ricers don't have an action league, and i have never heard of making fun of ricers being labeled as a hate crime...so assuming you have any footing left for your silly argument,,,,i think if you look you'll find it is slippery...like under cooked...rice



BTW I love haters

[FR-S_Tacoma]

^^^

awwh sh*t son





*edit: never understood the whole "i love haters" thing... are you trying to discourage flaming? Are you trying to go religious and love your enemies? doesn't make sense...