"Underpowered"... compared to...?

[ST185RC]

This car is seriously underpowered compared to a Sienna. Siennas haul ass, a lot of ass, 7 asses to be exact with DVD players and screens for the middle bench and rear bench and foldable, removable seats to haul even more illegal immagrants all while the A/C is blasting artic air through the vents.

Let's see the FR-S/BRZ haul more than a Sienna. Yeah, didn't think so. This thread is rediculous.

[Wise]

Originally Posted by Dragonist

Challenger r/t manual
weight:4082
Cost:$29,895.00

Frs
Cost:$24,995
Weight:2,760
Difference
Weight:1,322.00
cost difference:$4,940.00

In the Frs benefits that's nearly 5k and upgrades that can be applied to performance...which will aid and completing against a Challenger(don't forget the 1300 lb difference). Idk if you have checked out the jdm option magazine...where Drift king beat a skyline via AE86 in touge...Skyline is wayyy better than a challenger...so idk apples to oranges, banana's to turtles. The Frs is a great platform, to build on .In regards to domestics really all they do is put big ass motors in them, suspension isn't really looked at(corvette excluded). I know I have domestics. Current car is a 83' cutlass w/ 68 olds 350 pushing a minimum of 300hp.

Check out this video

a 66 corvette vs a 1969 hurst olds...

Hurst/Olds came standard with a 365-horsepower 455 Rocket V8, or an optional 370 horsepower
Weight:3,515
Motor:365-370
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C2
weight:3,015lbs
Motor 327:300-350hp
The weight difference is the main thing that made the vette win, which is only 500lbs. So hands down 5 k in upgrades on a frs will put the smack down on a Challenger if we look at I spend as much money on my car as you spent on yours out the box...

Is that this showdown you're talking about?

It was at the Gunma Cycle Sports Center. GTR does alright, but it's a little too heavy for that course.

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[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

I don't care about the mileage that much though its a nice perk. Why don't I care? Because of this:

12000miles/year / 30mpg = 400gallons * $3.50 = $1400

12000miles/year / 22mpg = 545gallons * $3.50 = $1907

For $507/year I'd rather drive I want. I like saving $500 but not so much I'd compromise what car I'd buy. Keep in mind when I say this I have ordered my FR-S so I'm not a troll. I do find it funny calling the WRX a converted family car, I don't think you've competitively raced a modern one.

A good point in your scenario, however I personally hit about 20k miles in a year and my company also pays me mileage. So the less money I spend on gas the more money I make on mileage on top of saving at the pump. So without doing any math I'd say my gap is quite a bit wider and others are likely also in this scenario.

Originally Posted by ST185RC

This car is seriously underpowered compared to a Sienna. Siennas haul ass, a lot of ass, 7 asses to be exact with DVD players and screens for the middle bench and rear bench and foldable, removable seats to haul even more illegal immagrants all while the A/C is blasting artic air through the vents.

Let's see the FR-S/BRZ haul more than a Sienna. Yeah, didn't think so. This thread is rediculous.

Best post. We need a new spec that's basically horsepower * butts for a true theoretical power demonstration. If a car pulls 200HP but is moving 7 physical people that's 1400HP!!!

[frosty86]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

If a car pulls 200HP but is moving 7 physical people that's 1400HP!!!

Or shit load of torque.

I heard the analogy of HP vs TQ...
with HP being a body builder and torque being a sprinter/dasher? Is that an accurate portrayal?

[Flow]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

Best post. We need a new spec that's basically horsepower * butts for a true theoretical power demonstration. If a car pulls 200HP but is moving 7 physical people that's 1400HP!!!

Too bad "BHP" is already taken.

[Gearbanger]

Originally Posted by .Alex

It's a 15 second car that might run a very high 14 second with a good driver. Other sport compacts were doing that 10+ years ago.

I do understand the the FR-S isn't about straightline power, but let's be real, its slow.

I thought it was 16.3@90 plus for auto?

[FantomRider]

Most cars are faster but their crap handling is incomparable to the 86.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by frosty86

Or shit load of torque.

I heard the analogy of HP vs TQ...
with HP being a body builder and torque being a sprinter/dasher? Is that an accurate portrayal?

You got it backwards. If anything, torque is the body builder and HP is the sprinter/dasher.

Torque is the push in the back you feel when accelerating quickly from low speed. HP is what helps propel your car to its top speed.

[frosty86]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

You got it backwards. If anything, torque is the body builder and HP is the sprinter/dasher.

Torque is the push in the back you feel when accelerating quickly from low speed. HP is what helps propel your car to its top speed.

Actually...
Truck: Lots of torque, low revving, low HP would be equivalent of a body builder
Sports car: Lower torque, high revving, high HP would be equivalent of a sprinter
So you're right on that part

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by frosty86

Actually...
Truck: Lots of torque, low revving, low HP would be equivalent of a body builder
Sports car: Lower torque, high revving, high HP would be equivalent of a sprinter
So you're right on that part

Um...yes....now you're starting to understand.

Keep in mind that HP is a function of torque & engine speed.

http://www.pedrosgarage.com/Site_5/Torque_vs_HP.html

[frosty86]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

Keep in mind that HP is a function of torque & engine speed.

No really? Derp
Someone get this guy on the discovery channel

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by frosty86

No really? Derp
Someone get this guy on the discovery channel

This ^^^^ coming from a guy who said this:

Originally Posted by frosty86

I heard the analogy of HP vs TQ...
with HP being a body builder and torque being a sprinter/dasher? Is that an accurate portrayal?

Priceless.

[frosty86]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

Sarcasm... HOW DOES IT WORK?

fixed that for you
I've seen full retards strike up better comebacks but you take it to a new low. Congrats

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by frosty86

I'm just a troll boy living in my lonely world.

Fixed that for ya....

BTW, it's kinda gay to quote someone and change their words, dontchathink? But don't blame me...I had to do it just to show you how gay you are for doing it.