I Think I Finally Understand How People Crash

[Dezoris]

Leave the VSC on for street driving, VSC Sport at a minimum. Even a small incident will cost over 6k.

Learned this from experience this week.

[NOHOME]

Full nanny mode does suck, a shopping trolley with 4 casters will get around a corner better. Plus it makes a racket as it goes about its business. And if you have not noticed this, you don't really need a car that handles as well as the FRS.

Sports mode is acceptable.

I have not yet found a safe place to experiment with the full handling envelope with the nanny turned off. Either I book a track day or hit a slalom just to find out.

I agree that the tires feel weakly bonded to the pavement. All my cars up to now have had either R compound rubber or Falken Azenis. They will be arriving.

For winder driving, I will have to do some experimenting to see what is safer: full nanny or sport mode. The video "slip and slide" posted on this site is pretty cool.

[R_E_L]

I think the biggest problem people are having is their inexperience with RWD, this car isn't really anymore dangerous than others. Both in my old explorer and in my current bimmer I have had the tail step out on me at even at low speeds, and I don't take of the ASC on my car.

If the road is anything but perfect and dry there is always a chance for your tail to dance at anything upsetting. Add rain and a turn and the odds just go up. Don't turn off the trac control in the rain, unless you are on a closed course it's an invitation for trouble.

Glad OP came out safe, sounds like he's learned his lesson.

[DaveFTW]

worth talking about good read.

[whateatsrabbits]

Fuck traction control, I am a man and will drive my car. Not have some computer mess it all up. The only time I leave it on is a 6:30 in the AM while I'm driving to work still half asleep and its raining. Heres a few tips, don't speed in the rain, never get air(jump) in a rwd, learn your lessons, and don't shove your ideas down other people throats. Op glad your Ok, whats a chick doing driving a 3Z?

[GNS]

Originally Posted by ashtray

"no reason to ever turn off traction control on the street"

Well, I've got one: there's a 50mph road I turn right onto every day. People are usually doing 50-60mph. Busy road. On one occasion I stepped out (turned) and this car started approaching REAL fast. (2 lanes each direction - he was in the left lane but must have pulled out into right lane at 70mph to pass). I saw this as I already started to turn and nailed the gas - only to get a SLOWER response and see that yellow light on my dash flashing. Ugh! Luckily still avoided an accident. Wouldn't have been as close had I put it in sport mode.

Yes, it's a 90 degree turn with my foot on the floor. Yes I've done this a million times in RWD vehicles without any nannies. I was fully prepared for the rear to step out a bit - it didn't. Since that day, when I make that turn, I put it in sport mode. There's some wheel slippage and the back rotates through the turn a little, but easily controlled and I can turn onto that busy street without getting hit.

For the average driver, yes, leave the nannies full on.

I've had this happen before. Now I always assess the situation (when confronted with a road like the above) and turn the stability/traction off when I know that I'll need sudden acceleration, and quick. If there are no oncoming cars for a good long distance, I don't touch the button.

[dori.]

Originally Posted by empower-auto

I must be doing something wrong. Unless I am full lock turning in 1st or 2nd or clutch kicking I basically cannot lose grip. I feel ripped off - I want the squirrely version.

same here, it was wet out last night and I turned everything "off" and the traction light still came on the dash...

[636]

Originally Posted by dori.

same here, it was wet out last night and I turned everything "off" and the traction light still came on the dash...

You didn't turn everything "off" then. Don't just press the TCS button, hold it. For 5 seconds.

Then you'll see the "Traction Off" light come on.

[zohare]

Originally Posted by 636

You didn't turn everything "off" then. Don't just press the TCS button, hold it. For 5 seconds.

Then you'll see the "Traction Off" light come on.

I do that and even when stability and tc lights are on I still get interference during.. uh, extreme? Driving. Its not much but that dam light haunts me.maybe its abs or like a virtual diff control or something because its not while under braking. I also have an auto perhaps its a failsafe type deal

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[RedRocket]

I think it has something to do with how well it corners. People drive these cars aggressively and they stay grounded until well but when it breaks loose and ends up in a full on skid. Typically at higher speeds then most other cars.

[dori.]

Originally Posted by 636

You didn't turn everything "off" then. Don't just press the TCS button, hold it. For 5 seconds.

Then you'll see the "Traction Off" light come on.

umm... yes I did. I took an extreme u-turn in the wet and the traction control kicked in.

as a matter of fact, if you watch one of the BMI races where Orido drives the 86, he complains about the tc being intrusive even when he turned the TC "off".

What his team ended up doing was removing the fuse for the TCS (which also unfortunately disabled the ABS).

So my question still stands.

[636]

Originally Posted by dori.

umm... yes I did. I took an extreme u-turn in the wet and the traction control kicked in.

as a matter of fact, if you watch one of the BMI races where Orido drives the 86, he complains about the tc being intrusive even when he turned the TC "off".

What his team ended up doing was removing the fuse for the TCS (which also unfortunately disabled the ABS).

So my question still stands.

Your car must be broken...or mine. I've done donuts/U-Turns in the rain, and NEVER had any traction control kick in to help me. When it says it's off...it's off for me.

[Linseal]

Originally Posted by 636

Your car must be broken...or mine. I've done donuts/U-Turns in the rain, and NEVER had any traction control kick in to help me. When it says it's off...it's off for me.

Yeah same. When the TC is completely off the dash will say trac off and have the car swerving off icon on and stay that way.

[636]

Originally Posted by dori.

umm... yes I did. I took an extreme u-turn in the wet and the traction control kicked in.

as a matter of fact, if you watch one of the BMI races where Orido drives the 86, he complains about the tc being intrusive even when he turned the TC "off".

What his team ended up doing was removing the fuse for the TCS (which also unfortunately disabled the ABS).

So my question still stands.

Yeah, I'm almost positive you just "pressed" the button. HOLD IT, until two lights turn on, Traction OFF, and the slip icon will stay on.

If you don't hold it, traction control will AUTOMATICALLY turn back on at wheel speeds over 30mph, which is more than capable in a second in the wet while sliding.