How to drive manual

[Xauterus]

Why is there a issue shifting to first? It has synchros. Shroud be able to shift down at 20. Just give it time to ease into gear. Sometimes pushing too hard makes it worse. You can also remember to use clutch as you come up to slow corner so it does not stall. Leave it in second and gently let clutch out on exit. You don't do this in faster corners.

Don't over analyze it too much. The car will let you know if it is unhappy.

[DanVIIIVI]

I didn't say there was an issue shifting into first with this car, but the RPM's will be pretty high downshifting into first at 20km/h, pretty unecessary down shift, when the car is quite capable of accelerating in 2nd from anything around 10km/h

Cheers.

[st162celica]

Originally Posted by Xauterus

Why is there a issue shifting to first? It has synchros. Shroud be able to shift down at 20. Just give it time to ease into gear. Sometimes pushing too hard makes it worse. You can also remember to use clutch as you come up to slow corner so it does not stall. Leave it in second and gently let clutch out on exit. You don't do this in faster corners.

Don't over analyze it too much. The car will let you know if it is unhappy.

If you rev match going back into 1st gear then it would slide right in easy.

I never downshift into 1st without rev match. I only shift back to first if rolling and I see a race coming on. No good starting at 10km/h in 2nd gear for a race.

2nd gear is more than enough if you are barely rolling for normal driving.

[Turdinator]

You will get a feel for it pretty quickly. If the car starts to chug or feel labored put the clutch in. It will become second nature very quickly. And honestly i wouldn't listen to forums advise for speeds or rpms to shift at in any given situation, what is smooth and controllable for them may not be for you. Just have fun learning the car.

just my $0.02

[ChocolateNick]

Originally Posted by st162celica

I never downshift into 1st without rev match. I only shift back to first if rolling and I see a race coming on. No good starting at 10km/h in 2nd gear for a race.

2nd gear is more than enough if you are barely rolling for normal driving.

I agree. I never downshift unless I am ready to accelerate. There is not issue in doing 10kmph in 5th if you are slowing to a stop. One of my brothers gears down as he slows down. If anything its annoying not to mention wear and tear on your clutch.

[86 gts]

Originally Posted by ChocolateNick

I agree. I never downshift unless I am ready to accelerate. There is not issue in doing 10kmph in 5th if you are slowing to a stop. One of my brothers gears down as he slows down. If anything its annoying not to mention wear and tear on your clutch.

If you're driving a manual properly, you shift down and use gear breakage.
Perhaps you should do an advanced driving course.

[ChocolateNick]

Originally Posted by 86 gts

If you're driving a manual properly, you shift down and use gear breakage.
Perhaps you should do an advanced driving course.

I'm talking driving in traffic, not racing. Don't need to do an advanced driving course to know that gearing down when heading towards a red light is entirely a waste of time.

[86 gts]

Originally Posted by ChocolateNick

I'm talking driving in traffic, not racing. Don't need to do an advanced driving course to know that gearing down when heading towards a red light is entirely a waste of time.

You're not driving a manual properly if you come to a stop in fifth!
If you slow in an auto, it will also shift down.
You need to stay in the right gear.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Point made.

[m0nty]

Originally Posted by 86 gts

If you're driving a manual properly, you shift down and use gear breakage.
Perhaps you should do an advanced driving course.

Any driving course actually. Engine braking > foot braking for wear and tear. People just need to learn how to rev match.

[pr0j]

use engine braking properly and you hardly have to engage the wheel brakes at all :/ I had a friend that used to just engage the clutch and coast to a stop in fifth at red lights, then change to first. When I'd ask 'wth was that?' he'd just say he was saving fuel. Cost him a pretty penny in brake pads though.

[m0nty]

Originally Posted by pr0j

use engine braking properly and you hardly have to engage the wheel brakes at all :/ I had a friend that used to just engage the clutch and coast to a stop in fifth at red lights, then change to first. When I'd ask 'wth was that?' he'd just say he was saving fuel. Cost him a pretty penny in brake pads though.

Engine braking doesn't use fuel though. The torque of the engine in gear is keeping the engine running. Most modern engines disable fuel infection off throttle anyway.

[newft86]

I used to work at a dealership in the past where one of the managers was convinced that gearshift braking was silly as it put extra wear and tear on the gearbox and brake pads/discs are cheaper to replace than a gearbox. I'd really like you guys' opinion on that?

[st162celica]

Originally Posted by newft86

I used to work at a dealership in the past where one of the managers was convinced that gearshift braking was silly as it put extra wear and tear on the gearbox and brake pads/discs are cheaper to replace than a gearbox. I'd really like you guys' opinion on that?

I dont really think there would be much extra wear on the box.

Its more about your driving style and what you prefer.

I love engine braking. It's the one thing I find annoying driving an automatic. The triptronic on my aurion is just not engaging enough for my liking. Delayed reactions. Also seem to chew the brakes quicker. "You can smell it, you can smell it" Have a guess where thats from.

[pr0j]

monty, he would never listen to anything i said, and ended up spending way more on that POS 323 than I ever did on the pulsar I had at the time. I guess the moral of my contribution to this thread is that I don't understand not wanting to use engine braking. Oh and i also hate autos for this reason. :p

**edit** Hate is a strong word. Let's say, dislike with a passion.