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[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by nujee86

ok enough of this. Can someone please educate this ignorant aussie. The first time i heard of scion is when the FRS came out. We have it as a Toyota in our backyard.

My question here is, what up with the scion brand. Is it poorly perceived in the states? Is toyota perceived better/sportier than scion? can anyone shed some light on this for me please.

Scion originally was introduced as a youthful brand for younger adults to get into and modify simple vehicles to their taste and give them a sense of individuality in the car world without having to pay a whole lot. The vehicles they originally started with were the Scion XB(Toyota BB everwhere else) and the Scion XA(Toyota IST) then they added the TC which is similar to the Toyota Avensis chassis wise. More recently the IQ and FRS(GT86) were added to the lineup.

The brand gets a lot of flack as many of the beginner drivers or hipsters modify their vehicles in poor taste or usually have no idea what they are doing/talking about when it comes to automotive modification. This stigma has led to an almost downright hatred of the brand from most automotive enthusiasts.

[Trojan_SC]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Scion originally was introduced as a youthful brand for younger adults to get into and modify simple vehicles to their taste and give them a sense of individuality in the car world without having to pay a whole lot. The vehicles they originally started with were the Scion XB(Toyota BB everwhere else) and the Scion XA(Toyota IST) then they added the TC which is similar to the Toyota Avensis chassis wise. More recently the IQ and FRS(GT86) were added to the lineup.

The brand gets a lot of flack as many of the beginner drivers or hipsters modify their vehicles in poor taste or usually have no idea what they are doing/talking about when it comes to automotive modification. This stigma has led to an almost downright hatred of the brand from most automotive enthusiasts.

FINALLY!!! Someone gets it!

I remember when the brand first was introduced. I was working for Toyota Transport right after high school for the summer. I was like "WTF, that's a bad idea. Ugly effin cars"

[GNS]

Seriously? Awesome scion thread.

[Scaldy]

Originally Posted by SWAMechFRS

Hit the nail on the head dude. There are some really stupid people out there driving this car.

Everyone assumes this. Assumes.

We just had a meet of over 20 FRS drivers here in BC and the majority of people there were more into learning about properly tracking the car than street racing or modding it into the ground.

One other point, I was interested in swapping badges until I saw a botched job. Not... worth... the... risk.

[nujee86]

Thanks mate. Would give a proper thanks but cant find the button to do it on the page.

I guess the FRS should help improve the brand image somewhat

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Scion originally was introduced as a youthful brand for younger adults to get into and modify simple vehicles to their taste and give them a sense of individuality in the car world without having to pay a whole lot. The vehicles they originally started with were the Scion XB(Toyota BB everwhere else) and the Scion XA(Toyota IST) then they added the TC which is similar to the Toyota Avensis chassis wise. More recently the IQ and FRS(GT86) were added to the lineup.

The brand gets a lot of flack as many of the beginner drivers or hipsters modify their vehicles in poor taste or usually have no idea what they are doing/talking about when it comes to automotive modification. This stigma has led to an almost downright hatred of the brand from most automotive enthusiasts.

[robo_robb]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Go ahead and try to prove this is a toyota, good luck.

Make sure you dont look at any of the parts on the car.

You do know the development history of this car right? Do you really think Subaru would build a RWD sports car by their own volition? Subaru even had to change their company slogan since this car goes against their most fundamental philosophy, i.e., AWD stability.

Toyota spawned the idea for this car and called the shots from the beginning. We are driving a Subaru-made Toyota.

[russv]

Originally Posted by Trojan_SC

FINALLY!!! Someone gets it!

I remember when the brand first was introduced. I was working for Toyota Transport right after high school for the summer. I was like "WTF, that's a bad idea. Ugly effin cars"

The TC is not an ugly car

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by Tanuki

They built this car because of the demand for it that came from the previous and current generation of corolla owners. Subaru wasn't even a part of this project from day one. There has been a lot of R&D that involved the owners of the AE86 asking for their input as the car was designed. This car owes everything to the AE86. You cannot overlook that.

I am guessing that most of these are selling to people with mo particular love or nostalgia for the AE86.

I don't see much connection between the FR-S and the AE86. It's bigger, heavier and more powerful. I honestly see the car more as the successor to the S13 Silvia/240SX. It's the same weight, designed as a long-hood f/r sports coupe, has the same power as an SR20DET-equipped model and the engine (although obviously H4 instead of I4) even has the same bore/stroke as the SR20.

In any case, Toyota could have built the FR-S today whether or not they had ever built the AE86. It's not as if there's an unbroken chain of light rwd cars from the AE86 to the FR-S.

-Justin

[Tanuki]

Originally Posted by russv

The TC is not an ugly car

I will agree. A well done TC has never been a bad thing. Rado's TC is the best one though.

Originally Posted by Justin.b

I am guessing that most of these are selling to people with mo particular love or nostalgia for the AE86.

I don't see much connection between the FR-S and the AE86. It's bigger, heavier and more powerful. I honestly see the car more as the successor to the S13 Silvia/240SX. It's the same weight, designed as a long-hood f/r sports coupe, has the same power as an SR20DET-equipped model and the engine (although obviously H4 instead of I4) even has the same bore/stroke as the SR20.

In any case, Toyota could have built the FR-S today whether or not they had ever built the AE86. It's not as if there's an unbroken chain of light rwd cars from the AE86 to the FR-S.

-Justin

Based on your reasoning, there is no possible way that the 2011 STI is Related to the GC WRX STI either (other than an uninterrupted chain of production).

[Justin.b]

Which, of course, is something that Toyota can't claim on the FR-S.

I'm happy they built it, but I'm not about to get all nostalgic over their marketing talk. I never even watched Initial D.

-Justin

[Spartan65]

Originally Posted by Asphaltfrs1

I don't know about you guys, but when I'm driving I tend to forget that it's a scion. To be honest, I never really think about the brand. Just that I enjoy driving this car.

I seem to drift off as far as the manufacture also, I believe what most are concerned about is the culture and mystisism of the Hach~Roku.

Me myself would like to see a Cat-Back 86 i.d. exhaust, over badging on the car. SEMA vendors are holding product till November This is something to be mad about.

[eriktherod]

Toyota's name is on the engine because Subaru does not have a DI motor (yet). The manual transmission is an Aisin 6-speed based off the AZ6, but is called the T70(?), it's a Toyota-modified design. The automatic is based off the IS-F. There are a few other design cues that you could say are Toyota's call (equal header lengths vs.the Subaru unequal lengths).

I don't see why so many people think because Subaru STAMPS something it becomes their's. Hell, the Toyota wheel caps have SUBARU branded on the underside, does that make them SUBARU wheel caps?

If the next-gen WRX was (for some reason) made in a Toyota factory and had TOYOTA all over the chassis/parts but were clearly Subaru-designed chassis/suspension, would you call it a Toyota with a Subby badge? I don't think so.

[Trojan_SC]

Originally Posted by russv

The TC is not an ugly car

Says you! Lol jk but i wasn't talking about that car because the tC wasn't around when Scion Launched. Which was in 2003.

I actually thought the tC was pretty nice compared to the rest of the lineup. Wouldn't buy one though...I had a DC5

[Justin.b]

The tC isn't terrible (although I prefer the looks of last generation to this one), but it's not nearly as awesome as the fuse concept Scion was showing as the claimed replacement for the tC.



It looks like the only thing they used from this concept is the rear pillar, which looks awful on the tC.

-Justin