How mad would you be?

[sho220]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Making specialized parts (Scion badges, FR-S floor mats, Scion branded airbags, etc.) for a single market area is what drives up costs. Everything is made at the same plant, so if they stuck with Toyota from the beginning they wouldn't have had to make the Scion specific items and setup a 3rd production line for those parts, for a single market area. That 3rd line is extra dies, stamps, whatever that cost more for production. Thus increasing customer side costs.

They're already making Scion badges for all their other vehicles, so I don't see how they are "specialized"? Surely they don't make the individual badges at the same factory they assemble the vehicles at, right? Is every component of the vehicle manufactured in the same plant? I wouldn't think so, but I'm not positive. Same with the floormats...

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Not everyone wants to be locked into a lower trim level either, some of use want the higher stuff. Again, the higher stuff is OPTIONAL. Meaning you do not have to get it if you do not want to. Come on people, car companies have been using trims levels and options for decades, this isn't new.

A high end Scion is an oxymoron...

[Spartan65]

Originally Posted by whtchocla7e

If Toyota did that, the Scion models would become instant collector items just like for example misprinted money. I'm all for it.

It would be like having the baseball card where Billy Ripken flipped the Bird.

[Texas BRZ]

I like the affordability and youthfulness which the Scion brand presents... Other than that, it's an awesome sports car to drive, regardless of the badge... Don't know about others, but that's why I personally chose this car.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by sho220

They're already making Scion badges for all their other vehicles, so I don't see how they are "specialized"? Surely they don't make the individual badges at the same factory they assemble the vehicles at, right? Is every component of the vehicle manufactured in the same plant? I wouldn't think so, but I'm not positive. Same with the floormats...

A high end Scion is an oxymoron...

All three vehicles (Toyota 86, Subaru BRZ, and Scion FR-S) are being produced at the Subaru Gunma plant. It's also been confirmed you can't take a Scion badge from a tC and make it fit on a 86/BRZ/FR-S. They have pins on the back for holding in place and then there's size. Also the badges on the airbag are part of the airbag, which is likely specific for the car. Thus specialized.

You also missed the point of this thread, they're saying if it was released as a Toyota later, in addition to the Scion. So it wouldn't be a "high end Scion".

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

So due to your own impatience and lack of willpower, you think trim levels and options are bad? You know you can request the dealer to remove the dealer installed options, right? Set your instant gratification aside and order the car you want instead of taking what they have on the lot because it's there. The only fault here lies with you.

These cars will be in short supply until next spring/summer.

From watching the way other dealers have handled high-demand vehicles, there are usually two options. They bring in pre-sold cars to customer specs, and they order loaded cars for their inventory.

Unless someone backs out of their order and it's what I want, the available cars will be high trim level. And no, you can't ask a dealership to remove factory-installed equipment to match the spec of a lower trim model.

Impatient? I've been following rumors, test mules and concepts of this car for years now. Still, I won't buy until I drive one - and they haven't been available to drive for very long.

There is also no shortage of people who have ordered cars and waited for them only to have the dealer sell them to another customer when they finally arrived. I'm not saying my local dealer would do this, but I would prefer not to give them the opportunity.

-Justin

[Skyhound]

Around where I live, there is no difference between Toyota and Scion. They're both considered "low-end". It's all Audi A4s and BMW 3 series here with the occasional Mercedes. Hyundais and Hondas are preferred if you're going that route. Toyota's SUVs are popular though.

On the street scene, I actually think the Scion brand is more respected as a tuner car than Toyota. The only respectable Toyotas are Supras or MR-2s and only hipsters who think the 240SX is too mainstream go out of their way to find an AE86.

I personally don't like how any of the badges look. The "letter" style that Asian companies just don't look that nice to me. I prefer the logos and mascots that European cars come up with. So I just debadged my car, makes it look much cleaner.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

These cars will be in short supply until next spring/summer.

From watching the way other dealers have handled high-demand vehicles, there are usually two options. They bring in pre-sold cars to customer specs, and they order loaded cars for their inventory.

Unless someone backs out of their order and it's what I want, the available cars will be high trim level. And no, you can't ask a dealership to remove factory-installed equipment to match the spec of a lower trim model.

Impatient? I've been following rumors, test mules and concepts of this car for years now. Still, I won't buy until I drive one - and they haven't been available to drive for very long.

There is also no shortage of people who have ordered cars and waited for them only to have the dealer sell them to another customer when they finally arrived. I'm not saying my local dealer would do this, but I would prefer not to give them the opportunity.

-Justin

I said you can ask them to remove dealer installed options, not factory installed equipment. There is a difference.

That's nice, I've been waiting seven years for a Toyota sports car and I'm still waiting.

Your last point is the fault of a horrible dealer and has nothing to do with the argued point.


Also, Justin.b, created this month, only 6 posts. I smell troll. Stinky, dirty, troll.

[Spartan65]

Originally Posted by Texas FR-S

I like the affordability and youthfulness which the Scion brand presents... Other than that, it's an awesome sports car to drive, regardless of the badge... Don't know about others, but that's why I personally chose this car.

All True plus the FR-S probably saved SCION in the long run.

[Texas BRZ]

Originally Posted by Spartan65

All True plus the FR-S probably saved SCION in the long run.

Well, it certainly did give it a much needed lift... A big splash of sportiness never hurts, in my opinion... Haha!

[robo_robb]

Originally Posted by sho220

I don't see why they would ever do that. Toyota = beige Mommy grocery getter, not rwd Sport coupe...this car is everything Toyota isn't...

I don't mean to sound rude, but you must be very young. Toyota has a long history of making exciting cars. It's this history that inspired Akio Toyoda to spearhead this car's creation. Sure, in the past 10 years or so they took to a conservative bread-and-butter philosophy, but they're changing-- Toyota is now reviving their passion for sports cars with the creation of the 86.

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Your last point is the fault of a horrible dealer and has nothing to do with the argued point.

Also, Justin.b, created this month, only 6 posts. I smell troll. Stinky, dirty, troll.

I would say there are more horrible dealers than good ones. It has happened to 3 different friends of mine, all at different dealerships and different cars (BMW 330, Lexus IS300, Mercedes CL65).

There was no real need to join here before the car arrived. There were plenty of rumor/news threads about this car on every other automotive forum.

I am very sorry your FR-S is not JDM enough for you. I am enjoying mine very much.



-Justin

[Asphaltfrs1]

I don't know about you guys, but when I'm driving I tend to forget that it's a scion. To be honest, I never really think about the brand. Just that I enjoy driving this car.

[SWAMechFRS]

Does it really matter at all? If the badge on the car has you all up in arms you are missing the point of the whole car and probably drive and automatic that you attempt to "drift" and then fail and run into shit with it.

I personally don't give a rats ass about the history of the 86. I didn't buy this car because of Toyota's great racing heritage. I bought this car because it met my specifications of what a great affordable track car/daily driver should be. End of story. Any automaker could have developed this car and I'd have still bought it.

So, get a life, quit bitching and crying about the god damned badges, and take your car to the track and quit being stupid.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

All three vehicles (Toyota 86, Subaru BRZ, and Scion FR-S) are being produced at the Subaru Gunma plant. It's also been confirmed you can't take a Scion badge from a tC and make it fit on a 86/BRZ/FR-S. They have pins on the back for holding in place and then there's size. Also the badges on the airbag are part of the airbag, which is likely specific for the car. Thus specialized.

You also missed the point of this thread, they're saying if it was released as a Toyota later, in addition to the Scion. So it wouldn't be a "high end Scion".

It's not like having a Toyota branding on the car would suddenly make them bring every option they have on their cars out to us. We've been getting screwed for years when it comes to Japanese cars. Lets use the Yaris for example, its Japanese name is the Vitz and it comes with many options we will never see here. I.E. HID's/LED Tails/Different bumpers/different engines. Even though it has Toyota badging doesn't mean we are going to get any of the cool shit they decide to make for the cars. It's been happening for years with almost every Japanese manufacturer.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for options and having the ability to pick what you want on the car, but right now they haven't decided to give us any of the cool shit. I think it would be the same way whether it was brought out as a Scion or not.