GR86 vs S2000 drag race

[Lantanafrs2]

Those drivers suck

[smackrel]

Originally Posted by HotlavaFRSGT86

but i always felt like a 3.0 liter V6 should have been the engine for this car.

What about the H6 from the Tribeca? That would be an interesting swap lol!

[sly]

Originally Posted by HotlavaFRSGT86

I know its not a drag car, but i always felt like a 3.0 liter V6 should have been the engine for this car.

Agree. The first thing I did to mine when the warranty was up was to supercharge it. With the appropriate amount of power, this car is absolutely amazing. People have been saying this for 10 years or more but they won't listen.

[HotlavaFRSGT86]

Originally Posted by smackrel

What about the H6 from the Tribeca? That would be an interesting swap lol!

Theres at least 1 out there swapped into an 86, and it sounds great. I found a video of it on Youtube.

[HotlavaFRSGT86]

Originally Posted by sly

Agree. The first thing I did to mine when the warranty was up was to supercharge it. With the appropriate amount of power, this car is absolutely amazing. People have been saying this for 10 years or more but they won't listen.

Thanks for agreeing and replying. Yes i have thought about boosting mine over the years, but i'm just not the biggest fan of FI, i've owned turbo vehicles in the past and def prefer N/A all day any day man.

[sly]

Originally Posted by HotlavaFRSGT86

i've owned turbo vehicles in the past and def prefer N/A all day any day man.

To be clear, I am not a fan of turbo. This car is designed for instant throttle response and to listen to the driver. You can't get that with a turbo. But a supercharger... it is a virtual displacement increase. The boost is instant and linear. I have owned many carbureted vehicles and I will say that a supercharged BRZ is as close to carbureted as you can get. Instant throttle response and it listens to the driver. Something that fuel injection doesn't usually do.

When I installed the Cosworth, first thing I noticed was the exhaust note was deeper. Even at idle. It's simply pushing more air through all the time. And with a belt driving the supercharger, It's directly connected to the crankshaft which results in no lag. It's just feels like a bigger engine.

I like to focus on the solid black line. It's virtually linear. No more dip, but it pulls to redline. The area under the curve is enormous. IMO, this car was made for a supercharger.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Eh, about what I expect to see. Doesn't help the twins, first or second gen, don't launch well or consistently due to the shit anti squat curve that comes with borrowing suspension parts from an awd car.

54/46 weight distribution for the 86, vs. 49/51 for the S2000. That is a huge difference in rear grip off the line and IMO a way more important factor than any supposed suspension geometry issues.

Not only does the flat-4 have to be positioned super-high for exhaust clearance, it has to be positioned super-forward for a mechanical steering linkage to make it to the rack. Also, 2+2 shoves the rear wheels way aft which also contributes *a lot* to nose-heavy forward weight bias.

What we (I) need is a more rearward mounted NA v6 in a dedicated short-wheelbase 2-seat FT86. But no...

[HotlavaFRSGT86]

Originally Posted by ZDan

54/46 weight distribution for the 86, vs. 49/51 for the S2000. That is a huge difference in rear grip off the line and IMO a way more important factor than any supposed suspension geometry issues.

Not only does the flat-4 have to be positioned super-high for exhaust clearance, it has to be positioned super-forward for a mechanical steering linkage to make it to the rack. Also, 2+2 shoves the rear wheels way aft which also contributes *a lot* to nose-heavy forward weight bias.

What we (I) need is a more rearward mounted NA v6 in a dedicated short-wheelbase 2-seat FT86. But no...

Yes i totally agree and thats what i'm saying. And Yes all of what you stated does contribute to a less than favorable 1/4 mile, but it could keep the useless back seat for cheaper insurance rates with a 6 cyl because of the extra ft/lbs torque that 2 extra pistons would produce, an n/a high compression 3.0 V6 would produce well over 200 ft/lbs. Imo Toyota should have aimed for a 6 cyl sports car that ran 13s in stock form, perhaps not even include Subaru in on the deal if need so be. My daily driver is a V6 Rav4 and even with all the mods i've done to the Frs, it probably is exactly the same or just a twat hair quicker in the 1/4 than my Rav that weighs 3,700 lbs. But of course the Frs will out handle it massively in any situation.

[HotlavaFRSGT86]

Originally Posted by sly

To be clear, I am not a fan of turbo. This car is designed for instant throttle response and to listen to the driver. You can't get that with a turbo. But a supercharger... it is a virtual displacement increase. The boost is instant and linear. I have owned many carbureted vehicles and I will say that a supercharged BRZ is as close to carbureted as you can get. Instant throttle response and it listens to the driver. Something that fuel injection doesn't usually do.

When I installed the Cosworth, first thing I noticed was the exhaust note was deeper. Even at idle. It's simply pushing more air through all the time. And with a belt driving the supercharger, It's directly connected to the crankshaft which results in no lag. It's just feels like a bigger engine.

I like to focus on the solid black line. It's virtually linear. No more dip, but it pulls to redline. The area under the curve is enormous. IMO, this car was made for a supercharger.

Haha!! My man who also loves Carbs, yes i bet with a Sc it does feel like the instant response that a carbureted motor produces. I just will not drop the thousands of $$ on a Sc kit or turbo for this car, i am maxed out N/a on mine and i guess its acceptable for me, much quicker than bone stock for sure. I am working on getting another 60s/70s muscle like i had yrs ago, but will still keep the Frs as my awesome handling sexy sports car. Imo the 86 platform is one of the sexiest cars produced in the last 20 yrs or so.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ZDan

54/46 weight distribution for the 86, vs. 49/51 for the S2000. That is a huge difference in rear grip off the line and IMO a way more important factor than any supposed suspension geometry issues.

Not only does the flat-4 have to be positioned super-high for exhaust clearance, it has to be positioned super-forward for a mechanical steering linkage to make it to the rack. Also, 2+2 shoves the rear wheels way aft which also contributes *a lot* to nose-heavy forward weight bias.

What we (I) need is a more rearward mounted NA v6 in a dedicated short-wheelbase 2-seat FT86. But no...

I certainly don’t disagree with you on the weight distribution being a big factor either. I sometimes get annoyed with the parts bin chassis compromises even though I know it was done to keep the cost down and it only becomes a hurdle when you are really pushing the car.

I’ve always fantasized about a 2gr swap but it’s something I don’t ever plan on personally doing. Frankenstein Motor works has some 2gr MR2’s out there with their mods pushing 350whp and they sound glorious. V8 swaps seem to retain close to the same weight distribution so I’d imagine a lighter v6 would be even better. The k swap cars seem to be close to 50/50 as well.

[HotlavaFRSGT86]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I certainly don’t disagree with you on the weight distribution being a big factor either. I sometimes get annoyed with the parts bin chassis compromises even though I know it was done to keep the cost down and it only becomes a hurdle when you are really pushing the car.

I’ve always fantasized about a 2gr swap but it’s something I don’t ever plan on personally doing. Frankenstein Motor works has some 2gr MR2’s out there with their mods pushing 350whp and they sound glorious. V8 swaps seem to retain close to the same weight distribution so I’d imagine a lighter v6 would be even better. The k swap cars seem to be close to 50/50 as well.

I'll admit i've fantasized about it too. My Rav has a 2Gr v6 and they are really quick for an almost 4k lbs Suv, i can only imagine what it would be like in the twins. There is a Rwd version of the motor with direct injection, used in IS Lexuses and a few others, the 2gr-fse. It being swapped into the twins would be very interesting.....