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Old 08-03-2012, 07:36 PM   #29
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Honda, nissan, mazda... looks like everyone's finally catching on as expected. Shit is about to get real!
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I wonder how those new European Pedestrian Laws are going to affect the size of the car
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Honestly I think this is what honda needs, as well as Mazda with their joint project. Honda really needs to reclaim their throne in the performance world. I honestly cant name the last good looking and world renowned car they've built in the past 4 years.
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Honda has lost it's path. The last drivers car was the S2K and now it's dead along with the RSX-S (Integra).

RIP Honda.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:07 PM   #33
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Wait, the CR-Z is heavy? I think the CR-Z is most of the way there, it needs 1000 more revs (probably has the lowest rev limit out of any "sport" car that's not pushrods), possibly a supercharger, and RWD.
I am definitely exaggerating I don't hate the thing but Honda could have done way better with it. Just disappointed with Honda's efforts in the past few years. The Mugen CR-Z was kind of interesting, its kinda what I expected the car to be at its launch time.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:07 PM   #34
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I am definitely exaggerating I don't hate the thing but Honda could have done way better with it. Just disappointed with Honda's efforts in the past few years. The Mugen CR-Z was kind of interesting, its kinda what I expected the car to be at its launch time.
Yea, you can definitely tell that they've been really penny pinching lately. Dropping K24s into Civic Si, LEA in the CR-Z, using dinosaur age 5 speed transmissions in everything for as long as possible, and having almost zero new engines since forever. I'm surprised they even bothered with a 6MT in the CR-Z.
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I've always been a Honda fan and always will be, but like others have mentioned, Honda has lost their touch (for performance, anyway). If they were still making the S2k when I was in the market for a new car, I would've bought that in a heartbeat. I can only hope they'll bring something back, if not make something new that reminds us of the older Hondas we all love.


Someday I'll have another Integra. Preferably a GSR or Type R.
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I guess the other manufacturers aren't about that money.

Like, hmm, Toyota and Subaru captured a part of the market and is having trouble keeping cars on lots. Let's NOT make something to grab some of that marketshare.
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According to a recent report, Honda is considering an S2000 successor to battle the Toyota 86 / Scion BRZ / Scion FR-S.
Automotive News says American product planners are lobbying for the model, but their Japanese counterparts don't think it's a priority. That's discouraging, but the company still has several new models in the pipeline.

unveil an updated Civic this fall.

usher in the 2013 Accord.

a new Pilot and Ridgeline are expected in 2014.

in 2015, a redesigned Insight and a Fit-based crossover will debut.
Ok, so my question is...why, in an article about an S2K successor, are they pointing out these new models coming out? What revelance....does that have....to anything when it comes to this topic?

Feel sorry for the Honda nuts....cause we Toyota guys were in that same spot for many years.
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They need to make a RWD Integra and give up on the S2K. We don't need a 40k sports car that has 250hp/165tq and weighs 2800 lb. Actually those numbers will be better suited to a 26k base car instead.

169 inches length
50.7 inches height
70 inches width
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250hp/165tq from a 2.2-2.4L,D/I with 8000 rpm redline

$26,500 manual
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Honda has followed Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Mazda into the toilet in my opinion.
Every single car in Mazda's lineup is a drivers car............ what are you talking about?
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I'll believe when I see it. Honda hasn't had anything exciting in their lineup since the s2000. And I'm sure their isn't a 'SUIT' that wants to continue the tradition and make an exciting car like Akio Toyoda.
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Every single car in Mazda's lineup is a drivers car............ what are you talking about?



Lol I'm assuming you're joking and referencing how they insist every car is sporty. With that said, my parents have a 04 MPV...a minivan. With the 5 speed auto this thing shifts faster, turns flatter, and goes quicker than their camry. Now it also breaks down a lot more since it's a Ford.
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They need to make a RWD Integra and give up on the S2K. We don't need a 40k sports car that has 250hp/165tq and weighs 2800 lb. Actually those numbers will be better suited to a 26k base car instead.

169 inches length
50.7 inches height
70 inches width
2+2
RWD
27-2800 lbs
250hp/165tq from a 2.2-2.4L,D/I with 8000 rpm redline

$26,500 manual
$27,700 auto
I agree that's a good way to bring great value to the table, but it's not in line with the car making philosophy these days

250hp is too much to ask for, not because it's hard to bring 250hp for the correct price, but because downsized engines are the name of the game these days. American car makers are the only ones willing to drop relatively high displacement engines into cars.

Again, if Honda makes anything rear wheel drive, and with a higher redline than 7000 (and a >5 speed transmission), we should be grateful that they're taking enthusiasts seriously, and trying to bring a genuinely good, well thought out product to the market. Oh and, a price under what the S2000 was please The S2000 was great but the price of entry was too high. Understandable given the nature of the car, but if that's the best they can do then they should aim lower.
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