New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Dadhawk]

Interesting article comparing the EV trucks to their ICE counterparts and where the "ecology" portion of the equation crosses. For example the Hummer EV vs the Ram TRX. You need to drive the Hummer 40,000 miles to offset the difference in CO2 increase as part of the manufacturing process.

Now, mind you, that seems relatively reasonable to me, I suppose until you have to replace the battery pack (assuming you do) somewhere down the road and it resets a bit.

[spcmafia]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, they can do that, with the right programming and audio clips.

Wouldn't it make it sound like you're stuck on an infinite 1st gear though?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by spcmafia

Wouldn't it make it sound like you're stuck on an infinite 1st gear though?

That's where the programming comes in. Sound changes at MPH points. Could even program in a little brake grab to give you a shifting gears feel. Maybe a faux gear lever too for the "full engagement" experience.

[spcmafia]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That's where the programming comes in. Sound changes at MPH points. Could even program in a little brake grab to give you a shifting gears feel. Maybe a faux gear lever too for the "full engagement" experience.

That's it, I'm sold. They should also add a sort of simulated piston rocketing, where the vehicle comes to a full stop, and a small tank to disperse oil and metal parts. So you don't forget what it felt to have an ICE.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I'd advise anyone looking to consider an EV to wait until solid state batteries are mainstream.

Additionally, for anyone that honestly cars about the environment, they're better off waiting for EVs that don't rely on precious metals.

I think many people find EVs to be fine for them without the need for a solid state battery.

Additionally, as it was pointed out two posts ago, EVs are "greener", even when they pull electricity from coal and gas power, and even when battery production is considered. See below:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=798

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Interesting article comparing the EV trucks to their ICE counterparts and where the "ecology" portion of the equation crosses. For example the Hummer EV vs the Ram TRX. You need to drive the Hummer 40,000 miles to offset the difference in CO2 increase as part of the manufacturing process.

Now, mind you, that seems relatively reasonable to me, I suppose until you have to replace the battery pack (assuming you do) somewhere down the road and it resets a bit.

Dejavu.

Also, recycling batteries and recycling ICE vehicles are typically considered in end-of-life calculations. Batteries are being recycled and used for grid storage more and more. The video I posted talked about a 1000 cycle battery being possible, which is likely to last for decades beyond the normal lifecycle of a typical car.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=798

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Dejavu...]

Indeed. I missed the original post somehow.

[WolfpackS2k]

^^^Does nothing for sustainability. Just dressing up the same problem in a new costume. Which is fine, when the government isn't shoving it down your throat.

[Spuds]

I would be fine getting an EV as a third car to run around town in if I had a powered third garage space and they weren't more expensive than my other two cars combined. But I don't and they aren't.

[clio]

The potential for EV's is huge imho. It isn't too difficult to imagine this imho:

1) EV's drive themselves (Tesla is already making big gains in this space)
2) Cars 'talk' to one another in real time, and
3) ... This makes them all but crash proof, meaning most impact safety systems could be removed from vehicles (reducing cost and weight)
4) Traffic lights could be removed. All traffic is staggered and speed governed to ensuring a non-stop journey. Traffic will simply 'interlace'
5) Uber-style transport, without drivers, will be ridiculously cheap meaning most people will not have to own cars.

Whilst as a driving enthusiast this sounds awful I think a future that resembles this is very likely

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I would be fine getting an EV as a third car to run around town in if I had a powered third garage space and they weren't more expensive than my other two cars combined. But I don't and they aren't.

You can easily pick up an EV for under the price of a twin now. Multiple models, or used.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by clio

The potential for EV's is huge imho. It isn't too difficult to imagine this imho:

1) EV's drive themselves (Tesla is already making big gains in this space)
2) Cars 'talk' to one another in real time, and
3) ... This makes them all but crash proof, meaning most impact safety systems could be removed from vehicles (reducing cost and weight)
4) Traffic lights could be removed. All traffic is staggered and speed governed to ensuring a non-stop journey. Traffic will simply 'interlace'
5) Uber-style transport, without drivers, will be ridiculously cheap meaning most people will not have to own cars.

Whilst as a driving enthusiast this sounds awful I think a future that resembles this is very likely

You could accomplish all this with ICE vehicles. None of what was mentioned is exclusive to EVs. Also, we were supposed to have flying cars by now.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

You could accomplish all this with ICE vehicles. None of what was mentioned is exclusive to EVs. Also, we were supposed to have flying cars by now.

I'd at least be happy with a Mr. Fusion at this point

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

You could accomplish all this with ICE vehicles. None of what was mentioned is exclusive to EVs. Also, we were supposed to have flying cars by now.

Toyota/Subaru are trying to ease us into flying cars. That's the only explanation I can see for the huge wings on the side of the GEN2. GEN3 will replace those with foldable wings. In fact Subaru already has the patent filed for it.